Questions and Answers

July 4th Meetings

Bro. Lee Vayle   -   July 5, 1986

1.	…see? I just wanted you to find out personally what…how God dealt
with another person, because He didn’t deal with me that way see, mine
was different. And I am very appreciative of the fact that He found
preeminence and understanding the roles, and that is not difficult if
you start with Bro. Branham's truly basic premises of opening the Seals.
It was the Church ages, and in there he was very strong on the Judge, in
fact it threw me for a loop he was so strong on the Judge. He mentioned
that One in Rev 1:12-13, somewhere in there. The One with the white hair
you know, and the robe, grid about the paps the golden girdle. 

	And he said that, "God showed him that was The Judge." And then he
expounded on that so thoroughly he took them into Daniel’s vision. And
then He took him down to the White Throne judgment, and I said, "Oh God,
what’s that man talking about, there's no White Throne judgment going
on?" 

2.	He was talking about the dominate role, the Judge in this hour. And
the dominate role the Judge he linked to Sodom. "Shall not the Judge of
all the earth do right?" [Gen 18:25] Then what is his business with the
Judge, what’s happening? And he said, "That was the One in the Cloud."
He came down. See? If you start some place, you can start some place,
and I’m glad to hear I never knew how Bro. Klassen started. I didn’t
start that way, because I got intrigued with Bro. Branham’s assertion
that the Appearing and the Coming were two different things. And I said,
"It’s got to be in the Bible." Because Bro. Branham did not add to the
Word, or take from the Word, he revealed the Word. That was his special
gift.

	And I said, "Well Lord, I’m going to go just one more time casually,
because I don’t believe in looking for things. I know you look for
them, but you don’t ‘look’ for things, you just look at things. It
says Moses did, he said, "Let me look at this Thing, there’s a bush
burning, doesn’t consume." He said, "Hey…" He didn’t say, "Well,
let me see if I’ll go back in my chemistry courses…" He just stood
there. He looked at It, and a Voice spoke to him.

3.	So I went to the Word and said, "Now it’s got to be in the Word and
I’ll go through the Greek one more time, (though I’m not a Greek
student,) I’ll see if I see something." As I was looking for
Appearing, I came upon Presence. And I knew that Jehovah Witness had
already discovered that for themselves, and that was fine by me,
because, you know, the devil counterfeits everything. That’s why the
virgin birth was so in disrepute. 

	"Oh, virgin birth my foot, fap, it was a solider got her pregnant. We
know about virgin births, sure, sure, sure. Priests and monks, and the
monkeys in the temple, they get all the women in there, and in the dark
they’re seduced and they have babies, and of course they’re sons of
God. Blah, blah, we know that."

4.	Now, that’s the truth, that’s exactly what went on in that day.
And you can talk to people right now too, that are of the…they say of
the Arabian, the Ishmael descents, and the Esau’s and they’ll tell
you, "What we don’t go for virgin birth stuff, that a bunch of
mythology."

	So, the devil has always counterfeited things. Dowie thought he was
Elijah. Many people get very insulted and they get very uptight
there’s letters going on even now from different sources. I could name
them, what’s the use. And they pan [criticize severely] our
understanding of the Presence. One person says, "It’s Catholicism."
One says, "Jehovah Witnesses."

	I beat them to the punch years ago. I told them as soon as I preached a
sermon, I said, "Jehovah Witnesses’ preach this, but remember,
there’s a real One."

	 Bro. Branham said, "We don’t go for Elijah’s mantels, but
there’s a real Elijah ministry." So we understand these things. 

5.	So, that’s how I came upon studying, because I was looking for the
Appearing, and then Bro. Branham mentioned that, the same One began to
Appear in the first Appearing in June 11th 1933, when He came down, was
seen like a rainbow. And he put that as the Appearing. But you notice,
that he ended up with Rev 10:1 as the consummate Appearing. And you
notice therefore, the role began to grow and to move back, to grow and
move back, and to grow until suddenly there He was. And that was that
One that came with His picture surrounded by Angels. You say, "I don’t
know if I could go for that." You do what you like, I’ve got no
problem. I go for it, lock, stock, and barrel. I’m  not worried about
it. You say, "Well, that was a phenomenon," And you'll know, you wake up
sometime well, "Praise the Lord." I haven’t got too much from the old
company, what do you got to offer me? At least I had a vindicated
prophet.

	You know look it, let’s face it, a person that can sneeze thirty
times is a better sneezer than one can only sneeze seven. I hope
you’re getting the drift. I’ve got an awful way of putting things,
and I’m terribly sarcastic and ironic, but you see, I mean it in a
nice way. And Bro. Branham could out sneeze the sneezers. Out squeeze
the squeezers, and out prophesy and out reveal the so called prophets
and revealers. And he lived the life they couldn’t approximate, they
talked a lot, but they couldn’t do it. You say, "I’m a very strong
defender of a man that doesn’t need any defenses." He should defend
me… [Bro. Vayle chuckles] So I appreciate that that hearing of how
that came about and I trust you can take hope from it. If you don’t
see something’s you just begin looking very casually and see what the
Lord might offer.

6.	Now, I’ve been looking over these questions here, I think I got
questions mixed up with my notes. If I start preaching my notes over
again you’ll know what happen. Whoops, here the questions are right
here. And so we’ll see, I might have to have some help on these, I
don’t know. But we appreciate you all coming out this afternoon, and
trust the Lord blesses you.

	And just to start off with, you know many times I have to explain, you
see, that I’m not a prophet, I just am not a prophet. There’s
something a little akin to a prophet in the ministry that   I have, as
there is something akin to the prophet in every five-fold ministry. See?
Because every five-fold…ministry definitely is kind of like a…oh let
me read it to you, because then it’s kind of like what it is, if I
read it I don’t make any mistakes.

7.	 Over here in Ephesians the 4th chapter, you all know where I’m
going to go on that one. And he says here,

		(7)	But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure 	
				of the gift of Christ.

	Now, that’s what it tells you there. There’s everybody in the Bride
has something specific according to the grace which is according to a
measure. See? Every gift is measured. That’s distinctly why he has the
recognition of apostles, prophets… Now remember, the prophet he speaks
of there is only a five-fold prophet. He’s not a prophet like Bro.
Branham or Paul, or Moses, it’s a different prophet entirely. That’s
why Paul could say, "If any man thinks himself     to be a prophet or
spiritual or anything, let him acknowledge the things that I write are
the commandments of the Lord." [1Cor 14:37] Now, how could he say that,
if he wasn’t above the five-fold ministry?

8.	So, you see, there’s a measure. Now it’s measured this way:
apostle, prophet, teacher, evangelist and pastor. Now, it doesn’t mean
the pastor is the low end of the totem pole. It doesn’t mean that at
all, but they’re certain measures in there. And you can see where one
measure would have to be above another, it’s just like the eye and the
breathing, the heart and the various organs and those things in there.
See? And God puts them as He wants them, and we don’t say, "Well I got
no need of the hand, because you see, I’m a very special organ."

	Bro. Branham one time…I tried to get him off of a trail, but he
already tried to get himself off the trail. I was so fed up with
preachers, I wasn’t as quite as bad as he was, because he said, "If
you want to get messed up, just get around a bunch of preachers." 

	And I said, "Hallelujah Bro. Branham, you’ve always did tell the
truth, even when you got a little bit disgusted, praise God." A little
sharp at that.

9.	But anyway…I said to him one day, "Bro. Branham, the way these guys
treat you and the way things are done, (I said,) they burn me up." I
said, "Hey, I’ve learned something about your ministry, and I saw what
it can do." I said, "Let’s you and I just go to town and we’ll put
our own meeting on. We don’t need these guys." 

	"Hold it, hold it, hold it, (he said,) "Uh, uh, (he said,) I was trying
it one time; the Lord appeared and said, ‘You can’t do without the
ministry’." 

	So nobody can do without anybody else, you’re all one… You see, it
was very nice to know that word ‘cohesiveness’, cohesion glue and
stick ‘em. But how come, we’re not happy when we’re stuck ‘em
with each other? [laughter] Something is wrong with our thinking, I do
believe, there’s something wrong with it, because we should be very
happy that we are stuck together; that you know that we have this bond.
It’s a marriage bond. It’s greater than a marriage bond, because
it’s a life bond. Husband and wife can die and separate, but I tell
you what, it’s different then this here.

10.	All right, now you’ve had a measure of the Gift of Christ.
[Ephesians 4:]

		(8)	Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity 
				captive, and gave gifts unto men.

		(9)	Now (he that descended what does he) first descend…(and so on.)

	And then It says,

		(11)	…he gave some, apostles; (and so on right down the line.)

	Now, you notice in there there’s an absolute picture of what the
Roman Catholic church is used in vicarage. You’ve got your pope, and
your cardinals, and your bishops and what have you, and what have you,
and the Protestants have the same thing. They’ve got their presents
and  presidents; they got their general superintendant of the glorious
assembly. Yes. Then they have districts presbyters caught in the web of
the devil claiming the Holy Ghost, don’t even know it. They got a
hierarchy. Now God has a hierarchy, He’s got a vicarage. The first
vicar and the main vicar of God is the Holy Ghost Himself. He said, "I
will send you another cCmforter," [Jn 14:16] and the Holy Ghost was
given. From that vicarage God has got to have a man, and He’s got a
messenger in every single Church Age; so that’s the next vicar.

11.	In other words, who is the vicarage that takes the place of Christ
comes vicarious? Who takes the place of the Lord Jesus; He’s not here
in flesh the Holy Ghost right, God Himself? Then who does he have? He
has a messenger, see, right? …?... certainly He said, "Unto the
messenger which is in the Church of Ephesus the spirit speaks." And
then…every age has the Holy Ghost speaking to a spokesman to the
Church, and It says, "He that hath an ear let him hear, (see?) what the
Spirit says." [Rev 3:7] But the Spirit does not speak to the churches,
It speaks to an individual. So that’s vicar number two.

	Now then, you’ve got a five-fold ministry, which becomes vicar number
three. Then you’ve got a people who begins spreading the message, and
that comes down to vicar number four. So the whole thing is a
representation of the Lord Jesus Christ. So He’s that Head, the
physical head, we’re talking now of the body. So you see, there is a
handing down, you see? Now, each one of these ministries has a certain
responsibility and it’s not a preeminence, it’s a responsibility,
because, "To whom much is given, much is required." [Lk 12:48] See? 

12.	Now, These people here representing the Lord Jesus Christ and all of
us together have our roles. That we have our gifts, we have our
positions, and we are therefore to minister in such a way by the leading
of the Spirit. Let me show you something how you got to be used of the
Spirit, I think I can find it over here…in Eph 3:20,

		(20)	Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all 		
			that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

	Now, It says here really the literal translation, "Unto him who in the
exercise of His power that is at work within us." It doesn’t even say
that you’ve got something to work with, It says, "There’s something
in you that God put there, that God’s got to work with." That’s why
It says, "It’s God in you willing and doing His good pleasure, [Phil
2:13] and except the Lord build the house they labor in vain that build
it." [Ps 127:1] See? 

	So, God wants to move in a Bride that is solely and wholly dedicated to
Him. And you notice in there, every single one will like… will have
like a role, and representing the Lord Jesus Christ. Now, we take that
right back to the Judge you see, which we look at the Judge just go on
back there. And we see now, what is the Holy Ghost doing? He is playing
a role in the Church. Now, that role then has to be told to the
messenger of that age. Then, as Paul said, "Teach faithful men like I
have taught you, and they will take that out there too."

13.	Now, that role that he had of the Judge way back there, which came
down…Let me put it this way, it was manifest just before Sodom and
Gomorrah, the role. And at that time, like I mentioned last night, it
was said, "Shall not the Judge of all the earth (be) right?" [Gen 18:25]
Now, that’s the Sodom condition that pertains in this hour with the
homosexual and all. So we have a Judge just like it was back there. See?
Now those roles become…it was dominate back there, and you’ll notice
the role of the Judge was not dominate too many times. But it became
through Israel, it was in Israel dominate as prophets came forth and
prophesied doom and said what would happen and it would happen, then you
watch it go back.

	Notice, how God stepped back with Ahab one time. Ahab was condemned,
and Ahab began to walk softly. So God said, "Notice how he walks softly,
I will draw back." See? He drew back. Now, you got to see those roles,
how they come, and how they go, and with that you’ll see the role
being dominant, you’ll see the role being recessive, and coming and
going.

	Now, we had Jesus descend then, that One in Revelation we talked about,
that One right there, [pointing to the picture of the Pillar of Fire]
that Bro. Jack Moore said, "That was the glorified form."

	And Bro. Branham said, "No, that is the Judge."

	Then, Bro. Branham showed taking the…I said, what made me so terribly
mixed up, was he was putting down in this hour here, which I couldn’t
see at all, and then he put Him down at the White Throne, and I said,
well man he’s all mixed up I can’t understand this, because, lo and
behold, he’s got Him way here, and he’s got Him here and I don’t
know where anything is anymore. But, by reading the Scripture and having
read what Bro. Branham said, then couldn’t place It, I was able by the
grace of the Lord to suddenly see the Scripture open up to me on the
grounds of what he taught. See? Now you see, I’m not a prophet; I
can’t do what a prophet tells to do, because I’m not built that way.
I got a little ministry that is along side of his, the same as yours is
along side of his with everything sublimated to it. Everything is put
under it.

14.	So, now I can look at a thing and I know something is there, but I
don’t know what all is there, but if I don’t take my step of faith
and start preaching it, and teaching it, knowing something is there, I
cannot get that thing clear by just sitting down and saying, "Look I’m
going to work on this until I can come before the people, and bring them
something definitive." I can’t do it, that’s not the way it goes.
Now with you, you might be something different. But I don’t know
anybody else could do any different, because we’re not prophets.

	So, we see in here, how Bro. Branham our great final authority, and we
co-workers together with him, we definitely ministers of Jesus Christ,
our own little bit of vicarage, our own little bit of revelation, and
we’re waiting for more and more revelation that comes along, then we
can do the service that God wants for us, and we’re playing the role
that we should be in.

15.	So therefore, the Judge role at this point has not passed by; the
sentence has been given in God’s court. The Bride is vindicated, She's
perfectly free. The world has been condemned, that is, got to burn,
it’s got to be destroyed. But the Judge does not carry out the
execution of the sentence. See? He’s in the judicial branch, and
He’s not in the branch of the judiciary at this time that carries out
the sentence.

	Now remember, He’s going to be King of kings, and Lord of lords
coming back with the Bride and carry out the sentence, and we carry out
the sentence with Him. So you see, right now you can see roles that are
dominate, and roles that are not so dominate, they’re recessive. And
you have roles in the Church that are dominate, and you have roles that
are recessive. But all those roles are working together, as Bro. Branham
said, "Paint one glorious picture of the Lord Jesus Christ in a Bride
form." See? That’s why he was so serious before he died, to live that
life that was so close to God. Keeping himself right under control.

	So, that’s just some thoughts we had. I want to get into…I know I
missed some points in what I was going bring out here. That’s the way
it works sometimes.

16.	Let’s look at these questions: 

	"Why is there so many questions about the Presence, when the prophet so
many times			said that ‘He is here’? In so many messages he
expressed that He is Present. Thank 		God for those who are saying,
‘what the prophet said’."

	All right, the question was in view of the fact that Bro. Branham said
that so many times, and said in Spokane: "My message is to declare that
He is here." 

	"Why then do they not say what the prophet said of course and believe
what the 	prophet expressed to them?" 

	Well it’s this: people have been taught all along that He is here and
He is, by the baptism with the Holy Ghost. We know that. "Christ in you
the hope of glory," [Col 1:27] there’s no two ways about it. But what
they don’t understand is the fact of the roles. They don’t
understand the fact of the hours. They don’t understand how God has
always done things. And so therefore, these people cannot find
themselves illuminated by the statement that Bro. Branham made, "That He
is here." Because they cannot get away from the thinking that we’ve
known He’s been here for two thousand years, that’s true, and
because we’re full of the Holy Ghost, "The Lord thy God is in the
midst of thee." [Zep 3:17] They sing all those things, and nobody is
going to doubt it on the grounds the prophet said, "He is here tonight,
and He’s down in Africa down there…" …?... He’s with the
prophet. 

17.	There is a part of God, I wish I’d get…Tommy Flanagan to give me
that quote when I was out in Tucson, I just laid it aside and I never
got it done, and now I have not in touch with him. But he gave me a
quote, where Bro. Branham categorically is saying the same thing I’m
saying here. "That there is a part of God that's absolutely in one
place." God is not amorphous, [without shape] no matter how you put it,
let’s understand this, God in the midst of us cannot be construed in
this hour to be simply the baptism with the Holy Ghost when the prophet
said, "Justification gives way to sanctification, sanctification gives
way to the baptism, and the baptism give way to the Holy Ghost Himself."


	In other words, the baptism gives way to the Baptizer, not that people
cannot be baptized with the Holy Ghost, not for one minute we’re not
saying that, you can be. I brought it out last night, the church doors
were open to the Gentiles and to the Jews both, make no mistake about
it, the 10th, 11th chapter of the Book of Acts tell you how it's also
open to the Gentiles under Peter’s ministry. But remember, the Gospel
never really came to the Gentiles until Paul was forced to turn to them,
and that’s I think in the 13th chapter. And he said, "Since the Jew
have rejected It, we go to the Gentiles." And then Paul tells that the
Gentile’s eyes were opened while Israel was blinded. That’s how you
get the Jews under the Fifth Seal. You don’t kill a man because he’s
blind, neither could God destroy them because they’re blind. He puts
them to one side. You put them under wraps so to speak.

18.	So you see when we’re talking about that Presence…the door to
both Gentile and Jews was open. The Pillar of Fire was noticed
absolutely when He was dividing Himself amongst the people. But you
notice, at that time He was not given, giving the revelation. The
apostles have had the revelation had been with Jesus with the Holy
Spirit bringing to their minds what He had said, because that’s a
promise in John. But when Paul saw the Pillar of Fire and struck him
down, he said, "Who are you Lord?" 

	He said, "I am Jesus, I'm Jehovah Savior." That wasn’t the body. That
was the Pillar of Fire. 

	And the Pillar of Fire said, "You go into a town and you go to Damascus
a street called Straight and there Ananias is praying and he’ll lay
hands on you, and you’ll receive the Holy Ghost." [Acts 9:]

	Now, Paul did not receive the Pillar of Fire. He received the baptism
with the Holy Ghost, you could say from the Pillar of Fire, if you want
to put it that way. Then he went down to Arabia for three years and
they’re speaking face to Face with the Pillar of Fire. He got the Word
of God. But notice, he was full of the Holy Ghost first, and the
churches were already…the doors open. Now he goes on the road and the
Pillar of Fire does not appear again until this hour. And what is the
Pillar of Fire doing? The same One that’s baptizing with the Holy
Ghost is now appearing to the prophet and giving him the Word for this
hour and sum up the whole thing, because time runs out.

19.	Now you see, that couldn’t happen except under these conditions.
And the Bible expresses it as the "Lord Himself shall descend from
Heaven." [1Th 4:16] And Bro. Branham said, "Holy Spirit Jesus Christ
comes down." …?... Jesus Christ Holy Spirit comes down and sets
Himself as Head of the Church. He said, "Headship is here," he tells us.
He must of have meant what he said.

	Now the people who don’t understand it, are constantly not seeing
this, cannot see it, or refuse to see it and they’re going back to the
baptism. Then my question, how much baptism have you got if you can’t
see this? And I’m not trying to judge anybody; I’m just trying to
stay with the Word. See? See, the baptism does not constitute the
Baptizer, it comes from the Baptizer. See? Just the same as
the…insemination and fertilization does not constitute the father, it
comes from the father. 

	If Adam could have lived on, as in Adam all died, so they’re all men.
What if Adam could have been the father actually, of literally what?
Five billion people today, five billion died back there…fifteen,
twenty billion people. And he could of well have been spermatically,
seminally speaking. But all of those could not of constituted Adam,
though Adam constituted them on the grounds of an origin. Oh who can
claim the greater Originator? The Token Himself is the Lord Jesus
Christ.

20.	So, I said it many times, Bro. Branham has a great ministry. And
he’s demonstrated, he said, "Look it, bring me your worst case." So
they bring their worst case, and the little girl is healed. Oh, they go
wild. Now calm down, calm down, calm down.

	"How many Baptists? Oh good. How many Presbyterians? Methodists?
Pentecostals? Catholics? Oh, good, good. Oh, we’ve got forty different
people here. Forty, we’ve got five thousand people and we’ve got all
these people here."

	Say, "Well, I’ll tell you what, we’re too busy right now to deal
with you but, I see you’re hungry." So like Christ he sets them all
down and perhaps brings in some loaves and fishes. Breaks the loaves and
fishes and passes them on. Now they’re all sitting eating loaves and
fishes. And I said, "I’m going to tell you why this great ministry’s
here." See? 

	Now, they all know they’re eating loaves and fishes. Now you know the
Baptists are full of the Holy Ghost according to them. The Catholics
took the wafer and got confirmed they’re full of the Holy Ghost. The
Methodists got baptized and sprinkled, they got the Holy Ghost. The
Pentecostals …?... they got the Holy Ghost. Everybody’s got the Holy
Ghost. So now, they all know they’ve got the Holy Ghost. So therefore
He’s here. See? 

21.	Now, we’re going to liken this to eating all the loaves and
fishes. And he comes in and says, "To all these folks who know they are
eating loaves and fishes, (he said,) now, the purpose of this great,
great ministry of mine, it to declare you’re eating loaves and
fishes."

	You say, "You’ve got to be nuts. We know we’re eating loaves and
fishes."

	Now Bro. Branham knew that the people Baptist believe they’re full of
the Holy Ghost, and the Pentecostals, and the Nazarenes, Methodists,
Presbyterians, even the Catholics. And then he comes on the scene with
his great ministry, "My ministry is to declare that He is here." And he
tells you in the tape on the Rapture, there is no such thing as a true
healing revival unless there is a message, and a new Message from God,
because God does not give the same tired old message. Why would He
bother repeating it?

	So when he’s telling you, "He is here," you’ve got to know that
He’s here in a way you didn’t know that He was here. Or there’s
something wrong somewhere brother/sister. Look, I’m going to tell you
something, William Branham was not an idiot. I am not an idiot. You bet
your sweet life, I’ll challenge any of you in the world. I’m not
half baked, and I’m not so mentally messed up. You just cross swords
with me and find out. No. I’m not worried about smartness, I’m just
telling you, I am not crazy, no way, shape and form. And I’m not
speaking to a bunch of crazy people. I wouldn’t waste my time, ain’t
worth it. See?

22.	So, you get the picture I’m talking about here. They don’t
understand what Bro. Branham’s saying. They haven’t got a clue
really when they hear him say such things, "My ministry is to declare
that He is here." 

	That ministry could parallel Jesus Christ that Daddy Bosworth said,
"That’s the ministry of Christ returned to earth in that man, and
He’s doing all these things." As well, I’m just going to tell you
something you already know? You see what I’m saying? So would a person
in this position here…I’m not hitting him, as though he’s got no
brains or anything. I’m just telling you that he is not getting a
grasp of what of what is going on, or has gone on. That’s all there is
to it. I mean that’s all there is to it. He just hasn’t got a grasp
…?... And the big thing is, he hasn’t ripped aside the veils that
are hanging over His face.

	Number one, was the Roman Catholic veil, which is number four church
age. You say, "Why that?  Because look, everything disappeared into the
church. That’s when the whole thing died went underground. Then Luther
came in existence is number five. Wesley is number six, and Pentecost is
number seven; and there’s all the veils there.

23.	Now, let’s take a look at those veils… 2 Cor 3:15.

		(15)	But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon 				
	their heart. (When Luther is read. When Wesley is read. When 					
Pentecost is read.)

		(16)	Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, (what? The heart) 		
			the vail shall be taken away.

	There’s got to be something in here to get that veil off of your
face. You got pimples on your face what put them there? Something inside
of you. What’s going to get them out of you… the pimples off your
face? Get out of you what’s inside of you putting them on your face.
There’s something in here putting a veil on you. Get it out of there,
let the heart turn to God. "So I've already turned to God." Well then,
you’re finished, you’re gone. I’m sorry, the light travels
brother/sister. We’re not playing the ‘Family Circus’ [comic strip
on kids] little kid trying to get a little sun dot, a little speck of
the sun you know. We’re not playing circus.

		(17)	Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord 			
		is, there is liberty. 

		(18)	But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass… 

 	Every veil is taken off. Everything we ever knew. Why? Because God
would not be able to send a prophet under any other condition. The
condition is what is the condition today? "Wretched, miserable, blind
and naked and don’t know it." [Rev 3:17] Now you talk about insanity.
That is insanity. Bro. Branham took the woman as a type; the woman going
down the street almost naked. He said, "My mother would be put in
prison." So would mine of been put in prison. My mother wore ‘street
sweepers’, the old high-button shoes. I remember those days, I’m old
enough, I’m all the way from the horse and buggy to the jet age. My
generation, that’s my generation I’m talking about. My wife and some
maybe one or two here, you’re small fry, yet you’re going to get
there…time goes on. Hear me, you’re not very old in other words.

 	Now listen,

		(18)	…we with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the
Lord, 						are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as
by the 					Spirit of the Lord.

24.	Now listen, They started that change way back in the time of Luther.
And he came up to the place where you’d finally see another veil
ripped off, and when that veil was ripped off, that would be the last
veil and you’d be seeing Him face to face, and your change would set
in. Now, how are you going to see Him face to face as it says over there
in the Book of 1 Corinthians unless He's face to face to be seen, until
it’s the hour? See? People just won’t live in the times of which
we’re living in. They want to go way back.

	Now, Paul says, [2 Corinthians 4:]

		(1)	Therefore seeing we have this ministry…                         
                                                         

	What ministry? To so bring Christ you, you’ll see Him face to face
without a veil and get changed. Now you tell me when He was here doing
that before? It was started, but now He’s here, because it’s
Headship, everything’s been poured out, with the prophet the last
prophet everything poured out. We’re like a neck of the body, the last
part of the pyramid, the last little bit in there. Then when it’s
poured out… now look, we don’t have a black board here, but… every
one of the church of the books, Church Age and Spoken Word, the whole
bunch, had for a long time, they had the pyramid and the cap-stone above
it. But there was something missing, they didn’t realize that Bro.
Branham said, "See those little lines coming down…" I forget what book
it’s in, it doesn’t matter. [Someone says, Stature of a Perfect Man]
To the lines coming down, see? 

	I remember when I told that to Jack Palmer, he said, "Lee I know just
where that is," turned right to it. They hadn’t caught it. You see,
they left the little lines out, where the Holy Spirit’s coming down. 

	Bro. Branham drew…me and my wife a picture. He said, "See Lee
here’s ..?.. here’s God," drew a circle. Now he said, "Here’s the
Bible, here’s the Word, and here’s the Holy Spirit coming from God
down to the Word and it hits these people here. Now here’s a
prostitute, she was all black, but a tiny bit white. It hit her, she
turned perfectly white. He’s Simon the Pharisee, He’s all white, a
little bit black. It hits the white, turns all black." The Holy Ghost
doing it. See?  

	Now, that pyramid, that little pyramid which is the cap-stone up there
everything that is in it is being poured down through seven church ages,
and when it runs out, what’s in Christ to be given to the Church,
there’s nothing left but the Cap-Stone. And you don’t see any more
lines coming down. So then there’s nothing more to come down, "That
which is perfect is to come." [1Cor 13:10] It’s all over for the
Church. So, the One comes down is the Lord Jesus Christ Himself was
Logos the Word. Now he sets Himself over us, because He’s got to bring
us into subjection. That the keleusma, that’s the Shout.

26.	Now you see, what I’m telling you in this question here, these
people don’t have a clue. They’re just sitting there, "How can it
be, how can it be, how can it be." Get the veils off of your face.
I’ve been trying to teach you …?... and show you. The first thing I
learned from Bro. Branham so definitively was this: I was not hearing
what he was saying, because I couldn’t hear what he’s saying. Well,
you’ve been taught all your life that two and two are five, don’t
expect anybody to come along and say, "Two and two is four." You can’t
do it. See? You can’t do it. Here’s your answer, it’s a long
involved answer. Now I’m not saying I’m going to give you revelation
Bro. Branham revealed. I don’t give revelation, I teach on what he
revealed. You bet I do, that’s my job. 

	I got a gift to handle Scriptures Bro. Branham said, that few living
men have. And that’s true, and I’m not smart with the Bible, don’t
think I’m trying to be smart; I’m not, and I’m not trying to sell
you a bill of goods. Look, I’d be dead tomorrow, and I wish I were.
For what I’ve got is an obligation to God and His people, and I
don’t like it, because I’m lazy. I’ll be honest with you, I’m
lazy. I don’t like to feel sick, don’t like do anything but except
eat ice cream, you know; steaks this thick, roast baked potatoes. Whip
cream…chomp, forbidden just about all of that. Manna from heaven
…?... got it. But I hope you’re getting what I’m saying here. See?


27.	 Paul said that, "This ministry lay in somebody’s hands, a man". 

	"You going to tell me that bless God you got to come to what I got to
say?" …?... about Lee Vayle said, "But you come to what God said
through a prophet or you ain’t coming."

	By the sound of it that makes it pretty exclusive, and people say,
"Well, I think you’re going beyond it." Well, you can think what you
want, this is my position the question was asked. And I know the
question was not asked with any …?... it’s a perfectly good
question, because a brother was saying, "Look here, how come people just
don’t see this?"

	What I’m trying to get him to see, look, I’m a minister and I know
when preachers say, something, like my wife will get upset she… "Bro.
So said so and so." I guess it’s on a tape. I said, "Hold it girl,
I’m the minister not you." I can give you four exact viewpoints right
now with that boy could be saying, so don’t you talk.

28.	I’m nice to my wife. But when she’s wrong she’s wrong, but
when I’m wrong I’m wrong. And she’s got every right to correct me
in the worldly position if I’m wrong about certain things. A wife
doesn’t need to be obedient to man that goes around running with
women, and then gets some filthy disease from him. She can divorce him
flat, the prophet said so, so don’t tell me different. My wife can
tell me certain things to do, she’s got every right to do it. When it
comes to the Word, I just don’t want about anybody talking to me on
that one. Not that I’ve got all the answers, and it’s not that I’m
somebody, I don’t say that one minute. But you can talk to me, sure,
but I want to tell you something brother/sister, It comes through a man.
And then this is why my marriage is a lot like the Church’s to ‘Be
wise, be subject to your husband, and husband subject to the wife in
this particular as the Church is, pastor be subject to the church, and
the church subject to the pastor.

	Now no place does it say the man is subject to the woman, except there
is a thought lying in there, because he’s got to love her, and if he
loves her there’s a subjection there too, because means to ‘bear and
to forbear’, and do all those things in there too. I’m not mixed up
in what I believe don’t worry, I just interjected that.

29.	Now It says, [1Corinthians 4:]

		(1)	Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received 					
mercy, we faint not;

	Let’s go back…hold your finger there and we go to that one in
Ephesians that I brought out in…it says here, [Ephesians 4:]

		(1)	(Unto) to everyone of us is given grace according to the measure
of the 					gift of Christ.

	You see, there’s a grace goes with that gift. And notice there’s a
mercy here. Now, just a minute,  [1Corinthians 4:]

	 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received 				mercy,
we faint not;

	The ministry here of taking the veils away; the ministry God given to
put a man into transformation the Rapture. Sure, it shows the mercy of
God at this end-time, when God would blot a church out because of
"wretched, miserable, blind, naked and didn’t know it," and kick him
out of the church. 

	What did Ahasuerus do when his queen kicked him out of the bed. "Oh,"
he said, "That’s okay honey, there’s a beautiful Jewess down the
street there," he said, "I’ll just take her,              goodbye,"
Threw her out. [Esther 1:]

30.	That’s right, the church refused to have spiritual intercourse
with her husband in order to bear children of this hour, God said,
"You’re finished the divorce in on." 

	Oh yes, that’s 2 Thessalonians. That word is 'divorce'. The catching,
you know, that putting  away. I told you what Dr. Hoyer(?) said over
there in Matthew, he said, "I use to…" the way he said, "I know ye
not…" That’s not what he said.

	The literal translation is, "I use to know you as my wife, but I
don’t know you as my wife anymore." There’s a ministry in there.
See? And the people that don’t understand what we’re saying, without
understanding they’re minimizing the power of this man’s ministry of
the Word. I’m not glorifying William Branham, look, he had his
troubles, I had my troubles. Absolutely. He could have domestic
problems, the same as I got domestic problems, you got them. He had a
lot of trouble with his stomach a lot more than I ever had. He could get
headaches, anything else. He was a human being. Let me tell you one
thing, he was God to the people. Now, if he was God to the people, how
much God was he to the people, and what did he have to give us? Now
there’s the big question right there. Now what about that in the
relation to the Presence? See? 

31.	Prophets don’t operate. This prophet doesn’t operate apart from
God being way up there, He’s right down here. I want to ask, "What
came down?" The Lord descends with a Shout. See? Yet, we meet the Lord
in the air. So they think that’s the same One that we’re going to
meet in the air. No way. That’s "The Lord said to my lord, sit down at
My right hand." [Mk 12:36] 

	And that’s right back to 1 Corinthians 15, where Who is bringing unto
whose feet all things in subjection? And what is under Christ? And what
is under Christ’s feet, because He’s the one above us? The Bride!
Well come on! And under Her is the world. Who came down? 

	You say, "I don’t know I can take that Word ‘come down’." Then
dimension, put it in dimension. He’s in a dimension, He’s in a role.
But He’s here in a way He wasn’t here before. The very personal
Presence of God already God manifested. Prophecy. There’s lots of
mysteries maybe concerning these things, but it’s not too hard.

32.	Okay, you say, [Question:] 

	"Bro. Vayle, I heard that Bro. Branham said that, "Birth control pills
is one of the sins of 	Sodom." 

	Bro. Branham did not say that I said it because of the God of the book
of Jasher. Three things in the book of Jasher. It’s about the only
book I read of the ancient books. And brother, by the way Paul the
apostle quoted from the book of Wisdom, but don’t you and I try it,
it’s not up to us. But he did quote from it, 2 Corinthians one of
those verses in there. My memory is not too good. But the book of Jasher
seems to ring a bell, there’s two books, the one that I used to own if
I don’t own it any more. Seem to ring a bell, seem more authentic, and
it is true that there was birth control pills, wanton murders, and I
think the third was sodomy, I’m not quite sure. There’s three major
things, I forget. Brian, you never heard me say. You’ve got a good
memory, my memory’s lousy. People got to quote me back to myself,
because I read it out of books you see.

33.	Well alright, we got to miss it. But there’s three major that are
now…go to the rest of the question.

	"Does this mean it’s wrong in every case?"

	No, Bro. Branham said, "It not wrong in every case." But he specified
the wife’s life would have to be in danger. And many people I realize
also have interviews and they say perhaps a little bit different, but I
have nothing from Bro. Branham, I’m outside of that…at that point. 

	"My wife has severe problems, nausea during pregnancy." 

	Well, if she doesn’t mind being pregnant I can tell you right now
that there’s two things that can cure nausea right now. You got it
from Standard Process Laboratory, it’s merely vitamin C and vitamin F.
And you get it through the druggist it’s called Cataplex. It doesn’t
mean one more thing; you pay for a fancy name, but its C and F. And
I’ve seen cases where women would lose the baby or lose their lives,
and just turn around just like that. And if you think that’s wrong,
you talk to Rebecca Smith. The first baby didn’t cause one bit of
trouble. The second baby she’s on dope and pills. 

34.	The doctor said, "Becky you know better, you’re health minded."

	She said, "But Lee, what am I going to do, I’m so sick?

	I said, "I’ll tell you what to do and nothing to it. Let’s get hold
of Doc Kash." I said, "Is Cataplex F and C?"

	So she took a double dose the first morning, took a double dose the
next morning, and the third morning she felt fit as a fiddle. So,
there’s lots of things to help that, if you don’t the… If you
don’t mind the pregnancy. Bro. Branham told us what natural birth
control was. And there’s a lot of argument concerning does it have to
do with her fertility period, which is based upon two features, which is
you can take the mucus test of the canal, and also the temperature. But
it takes a lot of training along that line, a lot of study in the sense
of you got to be very meticulous with taking your temperature and all.
Women also get pregnant that way, there’s many cannot get pregnant
until they take just… go on and on and on, and finally find that day
when they’re fertile out of that once every twenty eight days.

	Now, there is a theory of course on hand that there are two days out of
that twenty four, twenty eight, a woman could become pregnant. I don’t
know about that, that’s a theory comes out of England. But the test
that come out of Australia, and you also through the Roman Catholics
mostly, because they’re the ones that fight the good fight of faith on
this one. And they’re perfectly right on that.

35.	The two things you use are the mucus test and the temperature test,
and they have been very, very, very successful. Now, if the woman’s
life would be in danger, I would say then it must not be done. You could
just have the tubes…Bro. Branham said the cords tied, that’s what he
certainly recommended. Not the man but the woman… I don’t know any
case where he advised some woman who got desperately sick, or was very
sick that she would do this, perhaps he might of in a personal case. 

	I do understand that he did say to Billy Paul’s wife, and I don’t
like quoting anything in the family there, because they have the R
factor I think it was, the children were born dead…You see those
beautiful little babies perfectly formed just kill you to see them born
dead. Nothing they could do. And I believe she was advised that she
could have something done, because it was never going to work. She had
the two boys that was it. But I know they had the most beautiful little
daughter, I think more than one, and the children did not live.

	So therefore, that is a case…I don’t think simply hearsay, I
believe that’s true, and I speak of it with respect. And I’m not a
prophet, I can’t advise you beyond what I know. The prophet did say
concerning that subject.

36.	It says, [Question:]

	"Please clarify the following: Apart from the Bride everyone else shall
burn and be 	destroyed, because they have not accepted the prophet and
his message. In contrast 	Revelation 21,24,26 the king of the earth
bring their glory and honor into them the 		city four-square." 

	That’s true, but you see the first thing you’re talking about is
this end-time. You’re talking about a total annihilation, because
there’s going to utter destruction spoken of in the Book of Acts,
spoken of in the Book of Malachi, spoken of in Revelation; you can see
the total destruction. That’s at that period.

37.	Now you also notice, Bro. Branham said…let me see if I can find it
in the Book of Revelation. I’m on the spot here, I can’t find
Scripture that easy, because I just don’t have that kind of a mind.
But I believe it’s in chapter 20:

(4)	And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given 		
unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the 		
witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped 
	the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their 
	foreheads, or in their hands: and they lived and reigned with Christ a 
thousand years.

		(5)	But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years
were 	finished…	  

	Now, Bro. Braham mentions that this is the Bride through all ages, and
not just a smattering of it. Not just the tail end. And he said, "They
always had the opportunity to take the mark of the beast and follow the
devil." You know that’s true. But now at the end-time it’s just
brought into full material force and function.

	And so, what we see, what we’re talking about here, when He shall
destroy utterly at the end. Like He simply destroyed two cities, Sodom
and Gomorrah. But the whole earth is burned, and he said the germs are
burned, everything else you know. We’re not dissolved now at the end
of the thousand years, but before the thousand years is burning.

38.	Now here’s what you’re looking at: you’re looking then down
the ages through the White Throne, you see. And the earth has been
renovated for a thousand years and only the Bride has lived on it. Now
the White Throne sets in and everybody comes up. Now it’s at that time
that they are allowed to go in if they pass certain credentials. In
other words, it tells you in the 25th chapter in the Book of Matthew.
You said, "When did we feed you, when did we clothe you, when this and
that?"

	"When you did it unto Me, the least of these my brethren."

	So therefore, these would be in my estimation pure and simple foolish
virgin. They would simply be that in my books. That’s as far as they
got, they had a good life, they were saved, they were good people and
kind hearted; even like the old doctor Bro. Branham said, "Blessed are
the merciful, they’ll receive mercy," assuring the doctor, [End of
side one] "you don’t need to worry." He would come up, like Sam Adair,
different ones. I believe without a doubt, I don’t say without a
doubt, I believe in my mind, and I don’t have doubts about it, but I
don’t know for sure, that they would come up in the second
Resurrection, and they would be allowed to be outside the City. And they
would bring their glory in and their honor and the different things in.
But they maybe could come in, but they’d have to go out again. But
they’d never be a real part of it.

39.	So, that’s where these come up here. Do you see there’s two
different things you’re talking about. You’re talking about the
retributive wrath of Almighty God, when judgment falls at this age and
it’s all burned up; and now you’re looking way down to the second
Resurrection, the White Throne judgment, and to the lake of fire.

	So, there’s two different things, and that brings up the very thing
we’re talking about. We’re talking about the roles, the recessive
and the dominant. See? It’s got a dominant role, you’re got the
dominant picture, you’ve got the recessive. See? You’ve got a
dominant judgment at the end of this age, everything burned up and it
goes into recession. Then the White Throne comes up, watch It come out
again. Here’s the Judge comes again. He’s going to do something.
Here’s all these wicked ones are going to be turned aside each to the
lake of fire. See, there’s dominant, dominant, recessive. Same God,
hundreds of titles, but you see we’re a fortunate people to have
learned from the prophet. We’re very, very fortunate.

40.	[Question:]

	"Why aren’t we seeing the gifts of the Spirit in operation like Bro.
Branham said 			should be; the believers with the gifts meeting in a
little room before the service 		begins; waiting upon the Lord, praying
prayerfully for the gifts to operate, be judged 		then brought before
the church?"

	Well, I’ll tell you what, I’m going to be honest with you. Number
one: I mentioned last night when I talked to Bro. Branham about my own
ministry, which I have a lot of discernment. He said, "Lee, you’ve had
a lot of discernment, they’re very good, very true, but (he said,)
you’ve had some error so leave it alone." That’s true. There’s
certain things I couldn’t follow through on. So when he said, "Leave
it alone," …?... 

	I asked him, I said, "Bro. Branham why are these things in my life
diminishing and gone away? Is it because the age of the gifts are over?"

	He said, "Yes, the age is over." And you’ve got to believe it. 

41.	Now, it doesn’t say, just because sanctification came that
justification was gone. Poof! It didn’t say because the baptism came
they were also (choom) gone. They became recessive, and the Holy Ghost
was not in that Word of that hour for that Life. Neither is the Holy
Ghost in the Word of the Pentecostal age for gifts. In this hour that
shuck is gone on to the Wheat.

	So therefore, you can have justification, sanctification, the baptism
and the gifts. You can have every single thing at this hour. Bro.
Branham said, "As long as there’s a true Bride on earth, there’ll be
a true gift of tongues." There’s no problem there. But I’ll tell you
what the problem is, when you go to that room, and people go to that
room you’ve got your minds made up.  Number one; and I’d have
mine…and I wouldn’t be afraid to go in. I know what would happen,
who knows, but you know, he’s just waiting for the Lord.

	But the mind is made up to this respect, hey, I’m sure this person
has the gift of tongues, and this one has the gift of interpretation,
and this one has the gift so and so. Bro. Branham said, "You may
prophesy one time and never again." You can speak in tongues therefore
one time and never again. You can interpret one time and never again.
You can have a gift of healing maybe for one time and never again. 

42.	I had the gift of faith in operation one time, I can tell you the
truth, it certainly was more than once. More than once, that’s when
you know that you know that you know, and you don’t care that anybody
else knows or not. And you’re ministering to people, not just one or
two, but a group. And I’ve seen that maybe half a dozen people.
Discern right off the bat, tell them everything going to happen right
down to the letter and say that’s the way it’s going to be, and
that’s the way it was.

	You say, "Well do it." Oh, no way my dear brother, my sister, I stopped
operating out of the will of God even then. Don’t force the hand of
God. Where do you think false anointing comes from? Why do you think I
lost it? The more I got in the Word the more I didn’t have gifts. The
more I got in the Word didn’t have friends. [laughter] It’s not a
laughing matter when you’re living depends on it. Because when you
don’t have friends you can’t get into their pocket book. [more
laughter] Starvation here I come. My wife can tell you some that we went
through, why bother you know, it’s not… 

43.	But you see going in that room then is to go in faith, and before
you go in, you’ve got to know that someone would be anointed to
discern spirits. Now they tell me there’s a certain fellow runs around
discerning spirits and what he does he talks to people. First of all he
gets to know people very, very chumming, gets them in spilling their
secrets, and he psyches them and he fools them. He got a good
psychological approach, and then he's uses this gift around the pew, and
they say, "Oh, my, my, my, he knows these things." Hogwash, he a phony
and a fraud if he does that. I never caught him, so I care less. I’m
just saying those things can happen you see. Now, that’s not the gift
of discernment, that’s the gift of suspicion or snoo-pos-sity or
something… [laughter] they’re prying…

44.	All right, a gift of discernment would know what spirit would be
operating in that building. Well let’s come together without maybe
somebody even knowing what’s going to happen. So you go in there, then
you’ve got to pray, rather than say, "Lord if the gift of the Spirit
are resident in the Holy Ghost and we are full of the Holy Ghost, could
there be such a thing as some manifestation amongst us and therefore
Lord, if there could be before that could even happen, could somebody
possibly know what spirit is in this place?" Well, somebody possibly
could, and somebody definitely should. Now if you yielded to God that
could come forth. But you see, the way that people are there’s such a
diffidence  now, and there’s such a swing to the Word, that I kind
of…I suppose we’re kind of like using the statement that Bro.
Branham said, "Oh Lord, (he said,) let the Church come to the place
where the gifts of the Spirit are on the shelf as it were, Notice, as it
were, "and that sweet Spirit be amongst us and all the sick be healed."

	Well, remember the gift of the Spirit are not for the ministry. They to
be amongst the people and they’re complimentary to the ministry that
the preachers have, that is the five-fold then. So you don’t have too
big of a problem here really if you want to do this. Now whether
something comes forth or not, I don’t know, but I’ll tell you one
thing, don’t try to make it come forth. You say, "How do I know it’s
of God?" I don’t know how you’re going to know it’s of God. I
actually can’t tell you, except you better wait and find out. You say,
"What if it proves wrong?" Then it wasn’t of God you’ve got to get
that spirit out of you. "Well now, that puts me on the spot." 

	And Bro. Braham said, "Well ain’t I on the spot?" Now, I don’t know
how to go about it, other than what I’m saying. 

45.	Now Bro. Branham wanted me to go with him to Chicago, first of all,
he wanted me to come to Louisville, we couldn’t get the building. They
sold it out. "Well, (he said,) later on." He wanted me to go to Chicago
and he said, "Now Lee if they will take you as pastor up there, I will
come up there and we’ll put the church in order, and we’ll have the
gifts operating." Well fortunately they didn’t want me and I didn’t
want them. Because I could see right there the way it was going. Uh, uh.
We would not get along too good. You know my nature is not a nature of a
pastor in the true accepted sense of the Word of being a real true
pastor. I pastored for years, and I do a little bit sort of offhand now,
mostly teaching.

	But, Bro. Branham was wanting the people to do what he said, and he
said, "I will go there with you," and when he put his own church in
order they went out. They did not want to come under scrutiny or under
obedience… that’s a tragic situation.

46.	Now, if his church was representative and I don’t say that it is I
am merely suggesting the possibility. If his church was representative,
could it have been at that time the gifts really died? Because people
didn’t want the gifts as they should be. Proven, because though they
had them so called, they left. And those who sat there didn’t do a
thing about it. So, I’m just saying, could it be? Certainly it could
be, I don’t know. But I don’t discourage anybody from seeing what
might happen. In my own life nothing too much happens along this line.
When it does, I’m by myself, or actually I’m with somebody else like
you know, not many people, my wife or somebody else. And something will
come to me like a deep, deep impression as though a voice spoke to me;
I’ve never known to be wrong yet. Never know one time it’s failed,
and I don’t believe it ever will. 

	Now, every single one of you sitting here could have that same thing.
That’s no gift that I know of. But when Bro. Branham spoke of the
gifts in the church they’re far different what I’m talking about.
Mine is like a leading, I don’t get many of them, I wish I had more,
but that’s my fault, I know it’s not the Lord's. And I don’t look
for them, and I don’t believe anybody should, because you’ll betray
yourself into a position that you wish that you were never in.

47.	So, these gifts here…I would say this, look if our church was in a
position to do this, and it is as we wanted it to do, (any church is,)
we would just come together and the first thing we’d do is pray and
say, 

	"Now Lord, we don’t know that we’re in a position, or that You
particular want			 something made known to us, but we know one thing,
the enemy’s here, the same 			as You are. He can see the same as You
see, but by Your grace he can’t control, so 		would You just anoint
somebody here that that person may discern spirits, so we 		know what
source it’s from." 

	A person might feel that the church is that the group is not in
position to get something that would be truly legitimate, truly from the
Lord, they may have to pray, confess their sins, make certain things
right, get in harmony with each other through the Blood and through the
Spirit of Almighty God, get things all squared away. 

	Say , "All right, I believe the Spirit of the Lord is in this place
now, that we could receive from the Lord, everybody honest and sincere."
And then just wait and see if something came forth. Somebody might say
at that time, "Well no, I don’t know that we really got everything
right. Just don’t feel a real liberty here yet," I just…just know
your confidence.

	I’m just suggesting this is how it could be, I don’t know. Then
you’d just have to wait on the Lord some more, and see if something
came forth. But there’s no way that I know that you can turn a little
wheel brother/sister. And if there was such a thing as turning a wheel,
I think you’d be…it would be over and done though, almost instantly.
You’d reduce it to something which would not be God.

48.	Question:

	"The prophet taught in the Seven Seals a spirit can do nothing until it
takes on a 	forming. (Takes on a form, that’s true.) Does this gift of
Ephesians 1, that Bro. 		Vayle spoke of take on a form in a Bride to
accomplish 1Thessalonians 15,16 only."

	Now, the premise of that statement, the question based on a statement
I'd be very careful to let you know that my understanding of what Bro.
Branham said, "A spirit taking on a form is this: that there is no such
thing as spirit in a building can do anything to anybody against God or
anybody else up until somebody opens himself to receive it."

	Now, that's exactly what I know on that statement, but I don't know
anything else, except I talked to Bro. Branham one time and I said,
"Bro. Branham, if a person constantly dwells on a certain thing and a
certain emotional stage, will that thing become a spirit?" 

	He said, "You got it doc." 

	So therefore, when we're talking about spirits in relation to this I
don't believe we're talking about anything in Ephesians 1. I believe
there that that is a predestinated plan of Almighty God giving His Son
to the Gentile Church in the form of the Holy Spirit, to do in the form
of the Spirit what He did when He was here upon earth in the flesh;
proving who He is, and thereby bringing us to revelation concerning
Himself, which revelation will follow the pattern of 2 Cor 3:18 and into
chapter 4, into transformation. I believe that's what you're looking at.
And that Spirit will not literally take on a form, It will take a person
which is William Branham, which He did take. And he's the one that
received the ability through that Pillar of Fire. Like he said, "No,  I
am not the Son of Man the Pillar of Fire is not the Son of Man, It's in
the form of the Holy Spirit."

49.	What's he telling you? Well he said, "The prophet reveals the Son of
Man, this is the ministry of the Son of man." Who is doing it? William
Branham standing there. Then what was happening? The Holy Spirit that
was manifested to him, Whose picture was taken, being a Pillar of Fire,
(though the Holy Spirit is not a Pillar of Fire that's the for.) that
same Spirit was taking that man. He could be standing here and His
spirit moving this way. If He wanted He could move right in to the
prophet...this ministry began to develop and follow.

	And that ministry then brother/sister would be miracles and signs and
wonders, and what have you, wonderful things; and then the Word coming
forth. See? And the Word finished Bro. Branham said, "He's God no longer
to the people." Just good old William Branham back fishing and having a
nice time, you know, doing what he should do. That's my understanding of
that.

50.	Now, it says, [Question:]

	"To accomplish...into 1Thessalonians 15,16..." 

	The descent itself could only accomplish 1Th 4:15,16, could only
accomplish that on the grounds that it was based on a prophet, because
you and I would know nothing of what is transpiring until a prophet came
on the scene. 

	Notice, that God used John the Baptist, and John the Baptist say this,
"That great One is in our midst now and He's here somewhere, I'll know
Him when God points Him out to me." And God pointed Him out.

	Then you notice what John did. John had to tell what was going on and
he had to explain what was going on. Now William Branham comes on the
scene, look at his great ministry, now he's go to literally tell us why
this is going on and explain what it's all about. It's got to be done
through a very special person.

51.	Question:

	"We know the pyramid through the Church Ages or the body was made up of
Bride 	people." (That's true.) "Will the Capstone be made up of Bride
people to connect the 		Head and the Body? Will the Capstone be made
up..." 

	Nope! I don't see that as the Capstone, I see the Capstone as the
singular Person of the Lord Jesus Christ in the form of the flesh as the
legitimate Capstone. Now remember, we are also a body, and what I have
done, I have likened the fact of the body the last part like to the
neck. Because that's the part...actually the Head fits upon. And Bro.
Branham said, "The pyramid has the flange which keeps out the dirt and
all these other things." See? 

	And so, what's you've got here then, you've got the last part the
end-time Bride is something like the neck. And I said, "What Bro.
Branham did come along, Dr. Branham the great chiropractor came along to
straighten the Bride up and he gave her an adjustment in the neck and
they didn't like it." They didn't like Dr. Branham taking care of the
Bride. So that's kind of what I see here, I believe it's a physical
thing.

52.	A certain brother said to me one time, he said, "Bro. Branham is the
Capstone."

	I said, "No, Bro. Branham is not the Capstone, but he brings the
Capstone Message."

	Now, you can say he was the Capstone amongst the prophets and amongst
the Bride if you're simply using the fact of a termination. But you can
hardly use It when we're using this legitimate expression  'Capstone ',
and we know what we're referring to, which is the Lord Jesus Christ.
Because remember, the Headstone...and actually the Cornerstone is one
and the same thing. The same Jesus that we saw here on earth is going to
come down and take over the Bride; we'll meet Him in the air.

	Now, the same Holy Spirit...see the Cornerstone rejected... becoming
the Headstone, that Cornerstone of the Church was the Holy Spirit.
Everything's got to be built on the Holy Spirit. I just see Cornerstone
and Capstone the same thing, but different position to me.

53.	So, here at the very end-time, it says, Questions and Answers, page
103. "I am not He, I am His servant." The Pillar of Fire's not ...?...
that's right. (This is about page 1017 or so, in the Conduct and Order.)
It's in Spirit form see? Which was upon the Son of Man and is now come
to anoint sons of men, to bring back a ministry just exactly like He
said it would be, in order for the Head and the rest of the body to
connect together.	

	Well you see, that's the whole truth, the same Pillar of Fire that came
down and has over two thousand years of anointed men, it has, because
that's just the anointing going out of him, is now here, to do what? He
is now here to anoint the Church.

54.	Remember, Bro. Branham always used sons of man, because Bro. Branham
himself did not have any different baptism from the Holy Ghost then you
and I have. There is no Scripture that says the five-fold ministers, or
the deacons and elders, or the sisters or the brothers have different
baptisms, by One Spirit are we all baptized into one body, there is one
baptism period. William Branham was no more baptized unto the Lord Jesus
Christ than you and I were, He just manifested It more.

	And how did He manifest It more, because of His Office. So what we're
seeing here then, the Son of Man which was upon the Son of man, that was
Jesus in the flesh, that one, [points to the picture of Hoffman's head
of Christ.] came back to anoint sons of men...[blank spot in tape]
that's showing that It is the Son of Man, and the prophet is the one
that He's using. And the prophet reveals the Son of Man. Absolutely
right. Then in order for the Head and the rest of the Body to connect
together. That's exactly true, because there's got to be a place where
It comes together. And how is It going to come together? Unless It comes
together in a perfection. Because It comes together with people standing
here.

55.	Look it brother/sisters, if we died we've paid our price.
Absolutely, "It is appointed unto man once to die and after that the
Judgment." [Heb 9:27] "The wages of sin is death," [Rom 6:23] The body
is dead because of sin. That tells you man has got to die, period. He's
got to die. But we aren't going to die. So there's an abrogation of this
somewhere. What is going to do it? He's going to bring a Bride to
perfection right on earth here. He's going to have a Bride that...He
said, "They without us cannot be made perfect. [Mt 5:48] Now if they're
made perfect, because they are now they're going to have a glorified
body, you and I then got to come to that same place. How is it going to
come to that same place? Jesus said, "Be ye perfect, even your Father in
heaven is perfect."

	And Bro. Branham said, "Since God gave the commandment God will provide
the way for it; He got to do it Himself." Now he said, "The Blood of
Jesus Christ scatters sins till there be no evidence of it" Then how can
you make a sinner out of that man that the Blood scatters?

	That's why he talks about the Blood under the Token coming back
where...he even talks about the Blood. I wish I could have the quote and
I'd explain more to you, but see my mind is just not like...I don't have
the prophet's mind, I don't even have the mind good as you people do.
Well you folk could quote them for me.

	He talks about the... before they had a chemistry, but now they got the
blood which is just a chemistry. But you can see what we're talking
about now; the Blood has become fully efficacious. When did the Blood
ever take a man to the place where he couldn't die? Show me, couldn't do
it. No sir, but you've got it now. He said, "There'd be a Bride." But he
also said, "Perfection came in another way, came by the Holy Ghost
Baptism," came also by the washing of the water of the Word. See?

56.	Three: We've got absolutely to such a place that the dead can come
out of the ground, and you say, "Well I'm looking at myself and I don't
see it." That's perfectly true, because you're not going to see by
looking at yourself, you see by looking at Him. See? The Image being
formed in you is not the image you see, it's the Image that God sees.

	Bro. Branham says, "God does not see us, He only hears our voices
through the Blood, He sees our representation." Now that's what he said,
so I just stand on that, that's what Paul said.

	So, that's what I'm looking at here in order for the Head and the rest
of Body to connect together. And Bro. Branham directly...he absolutely
said he would, "Take this ministry, the perfect ministry returned to
bring Him back to earth." Positively would to bring It all together.

	It tells you right here, there's no way that we can possibly have a
Resurrection until that ministry has been vindicated to be the same
ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Word comes forth. And when
you've got that brother/sister you're under the guarantee. The Seals are
off the Book. It's wide open, it's all over. It's time for Jerusalem to
get gathered together. Time  for the...all the signs and wonders, all
the things are in. So, that's what I see here. Again he said, "I am not
He. I'm His servant," that's right. "The Pillar of Fire is not He, It's
in the form of the Spirit, see, that which is upon the Son of Man and
It's now come to anoint sons of men," that's what He's doing...they're
being born again. Now, to bring back a ministry, just exactly like he
said it would be in order for the Head and the rest of the Body to
connect together.

57.	Now, I can't take you to a verse of Scripture right at this moment,
But I have had Scripture in my mind before I think concerning It. But I
know that he brought...that's exactly what the prophet said, and that's
exactly the truth right there. He's going to bring us all together and
we know, because you know why? Elijah has come, vindicated to be so. God
has revealed Himself, the times of refreshing set the picture, set the
basis for "the whole panoramic" as Bro. Branham would call it. And now
there's just one thing left, and that's the truth, there's one thing
left, and that's for us to appear before Him up there. You say, "The
Resurrection comes. " Sure it does, but I'm not talking that, I'm just
talking about we're into that stage now. The next great stage, 'we meet
Him in the air'.

	The Resurrection could come tomorrow morning for all we know. You say,
"How do you know?" I don't know. There's a lot of things said about It
that would make me believe the Resurrection couldn't come for the time
being. Such as ecumenism and those things spreading the earth. But what
if God did that? What if He said, "All right, I'm going to cut it short
at this point."

58.	There's things brother/sister, we have abstract understanding. We
have what you might call the 'in depth' in understanding of many things.
But we do understand this one thing: we have seen and heard the Elijah
of this hour, we know where we stand, or we know this, we know there is
like Bro. Branham said, "There's a Bride out there somewhere, if we are
not that Bride and by the grace of God we'll not stand in her way." 

	Well, that's about the best I can do. And if there is anybody else has
a question, that takes care of the questions. I didn't ask anybody else
to help me, because at this point I could answer them. When I don't...
can't answer them, I ask somebody else. I take the easy ones.

	I'm like the doctor, they said, "The doctor's children are so
beautiful."

	And the little girl said, "Yes you know why? Because, that's because
he's got his picking, he picks the pretty ones."

	So, I'm like the doctor. I pick the easy questions.

59.	All right, any questions?  [Bro. Vayle pauses]

	Or perhaps like Bro. Pete says, "Questions are asked and I don't get
the right slant on them." Did I get the right slant in your questions?
If I didn't, you go ahead and just...see I ask that question and I
didn't quite mean it that way. Now, Bro. Klassen is right, because Bro.
Branham did the same thing.

	[Someone says,] "Can I ask a personal question?"

	[Bro. Vayle responds] "Yeah."

	"Why are some people calling Bro. Vayle, Dr. Vayle and whether he got
it from 			a seminary?"  

		Well, if you can get doctors degree from a seminary in three months, I
got it. [laughter]    I got out before they kicked me out. [Bro. Vayle
chuckles] My wife got a little upset with Bro. Branham, because...not
upset, but you know, she got a little bit curious, not resentful. She
said, "Bro. Branham, why do you keep calling Lee doctor."

	He said, "Anybody that knows the Bible as well as he does ought be
called a doctor."

60.	I don't really know the Bible that well. I'm going to tell you the
honest truth about that whole thing between me and Bro. Branham. When I
first got to talk with him we were almost two peas in the same pod, and
I went out of there laughing. Laughing with joy and just the very humor
of it. I said, "This guy is as nutty as I am. He believes the most far
out doctrine, because he believes there's speaking in tongues, and I
believe in speaking in tongues. He believes in One God, I believe in One
God. He believes in no eternal hell, and I didn't believe in an eternal
hell. He believed in predestination down to the core, I didn't know how
much, till he said: how many fleas there'd be and how many times they'd
bat their eyeballs and how many it would take to make a pound of tallow,
what have you...

	I thought I knew predestination, so one day at the table at our place
when we were in Florida, he winked at my wife and he said...you know he
wasn't one of those straight bound guys that couldn't wink, kind of wink
he said, "You know Sis. Vayle we'll make a good Calvinist out of Bro.
Vayle one of these days." 

	I didn't know, I thought to myself I was kind of, not resentful. "Hey,
what's this guy talking about, I'm a good Calvinist." I'm not hyper, and
I'm not ...?... I'm a Calvinist." Because I believe in that. But now I
know what he meant, he would get me on the right track.

61.	I also know the day I met Bro. Branham, he walked in and he said,
"Do you know who that was?" 

	And she said, "No."

	He said, "That was Dr. Lee Vayle."

	See, he gave me my title right away. That was because you see,
we're...we had these doctrines so much alike. Man, I tell you I couldn't
believe anybody believed the way I was believing. And a man like him and
I knew that there had to be something in there. So he said, "That's Dr.
Lee Vayle, he's going to mean something special to me and my ministry
later on." He said, "He's not a believer yet, but one of these days
we're going to make a believer out of him."

	And she [Meda] said, "Lee, I'll never forget the day that you and Bill
were out there in the yard talking under that great big tree out front,
and you got in your car and drove away, and he said, 'You know he's
become a believer today.'" I didn't know that 'til after Bro. Branham
passed on, she told me about that.

62.	But no, I don't have any doctrine, I'll be very frank with you, I
turned down two degrees that I could of had, but look, at one time my
English was quite flawless, because I could of well majored in that. I
never went through university, I just have an equivalent to about
what...maybe a year and a half, two years, something like that. I'll
study and what have you, courses and things, you know, summer school and
stuff. But, my English at one time was pretty flawless, but you know, I
got to the place where having listened to Dr. Koffin that I thought was
one of the most brilliant men who ever lived, and he was, because at age
twenty seven I think he was president of Dalhousie University, something
like that and a PhD and the whole bit. And he said, "I'll tell you what,
(he said,) grammar is the ability to make yourself understood." But he
said, "Since the government requires me to teach you some laws, I'll
teach you it." He was a brilliant teacher and he could really get it
across. But I never forgotten it, if you can make yourself understood,
I'll even coin words to do it, and I do coin them now and then. I'm not
as good as Father Divine, [laughter] or even as good as Bro. Branham,
but I can coin words. 

	No, I don't have a doctorate. I would be pretty disgraceful to my
colleagues who are full fledge doctors. Like Dr. Jefferson, Dr. Mamalis
and you know, different ones. Peter you'll get a doctorate one of these
days, you better watch it boy.

	"What are you going to say Don..."

	[Someone says,] "Could I ask you to just kind of express the feeling
and what went on between you and Bro. Branham to write the Seven Church
Ages?"

	"You got about four hours?"

63.	No, let me tell you what happened. When Leo and Gene were going to
work on the manuscript and change it around, they left Bro. Branham I
think in '62 or something to that time, I'm not positive of the date,
and having left Bro. Branham, either they or somebody else turned the
manuscripts over to Anna Jean Moore-Price, you know, Sis. Price. That's
after her husband had died, she was back from the East; and she went to
Bro. Branham and she said, "Bro. Branham there is no way I can do this,
because I must absolutely recreate it, and I don't have the ability to
do it, because I do not know the doctrine."

	And he said, "That's alright, I don't think I really want it done
anyway, (he said,) it's not been done so just let it be, it's just
fine."

	Well, she knew that he did want it done really, but there wasn't any
doing of it at that time, so she came, she said, "Look Bro. Vayle, you
know Bro. Branham and I do believe you know some doctrine."

	I said, "I do know doctrine, because I discussed it with Bro. Branham,
I'm knowledgeable to a degree."

	She said, "Look would you take these manuscripts then, because (she
said,) I cannot possibly  do it. There's is no way, unless I spend
eternal hours with Bro. Branham and do it over again."

64.	"Well," I said, "Okay Sis. Price tell you what I'll do, I'll take it
to Bro. Branham we'll see what happens." So, I went to Bro. Branham and
I said, "Bro. Branham I understand that the book cannot be done by Anna
Jean and different ones perhaps, so if you want me to take a crack at
it, (it's pretty well the words I used, I said,) I'll take a crack at it
and see what I can do. You help me a certain amount we'll get it done."

	"Well," he said, "Would you Bro. Vayle?"

	I said, "Sure, no problem."

	Oh, no problem. [laughter] The understatement of Seven Church Ages, you
want to know the truth. Not quite a bad as Moses had going down into
Egypt. It was rough.

	So he said, "Now look, here's the books I have used."

65.	So he gave me the books that he used, plus the fact I was fortunate
and being in Beaumont where I was able to procure the Roman Catholic
encyclopedia, which is very, very, very, very rare. And I was able to
get all the books that I had need of.

	And so, I began researching for him, because he told me to research
Hislop's Two Babylon's, Broadbent's History, 'How It All Happened', by
Heseltine. And different books of that caliber plus ones I got on my
own. And so I decided I would take the Church Ages and I would read
them. And it became very, very great pressure, because it began to seed.
Now, just a minute, there is no way that I can say what he's saying just
the way  he is saying it, and then go on over here, because the people
don't have a background of understanding so they know what he's saying.
They're going to think of something else. 

	So I got to discuss, I got to put in here when he talked about the seed
of the serpent. I got to dig into the serpent seed and talk with him and
find material, and explain what serpent seed is. Then when they know
what serpent seed is, they can understand and go along where it's
mentioned.

66.	Now, let's look at Godhead. Now there's something's in here that
people just can't understand, so we're going to have to discuss 'One
God'. 

	And so what I did, I went to him and I told him and I said, "Now Bro.
Branham what I'm doing here, and the only thing I can feel to do, is
this must be a book going to be a doctrinal treatise, as well as a verse
by verse exposition? So we'll call it, "An Exposition of Seven Church
Ages," if you don't mind. And we will take it from the same point you
were taking it, but we will have to put in doctrine."

	That is why you find so much of the Seventh Seals in that book,
because...and you'll find one time once over the pulpit Bro. Branham
said, categorically stated what I'm telling you now. "That this book
would have in it the doctrine, so there for the people would be able to
understand." That was the leading of the Holy Spirit Don, if anything
ever was, because I took four and a half hours on the one point ofthe
baptism with the Holy Ghost alone, that there were not two experiences
as I was sure that Bro. Branham taught, and actually, literally taught
in those same words on tapes, but didn't mean what he was saying, he was
saying it to the people so they'd get it. He couldn't of meant what he
said, because he turned right around in four and a half hours, told me
different, and I found it on tapes where he said... "You receive the
rebirth by baptism with the Holy Ghost." 

67.	So, later on I found it.  But anyway, for four and one half hour I
couldn't believe my ears that he was trying to tell me, "They are One
and the same thing." 

	At the end of the four and a half hours I said, "Bro. Branham, are you
trying to tell me that the baptism with the Holy Ghost and the Rebirth
are One and the same thing?"

	He said, "Now, you've got it Doc."

	And it was kind of an expression like, "Well at last you've got it." He
didn't mean it in a sarcastic way. But I was at my wit's end, and I was
so torn up and so agitated realizing that I wasn't...that man's language
was not my language. His theology was not my theology. His understanding
was not my understanding, and I thought it was, and I said, "Man this is
terrible," I was so broken with it.

	You know when he said, "Now you've got it."

	I said, "Hold it right there Bro. Branham." I said, "What about the
fact of those two experiences you've had?"

	He said, "What two experiences?"

68.	Well look, he's a prophet I ain't nobody, but even a nobody ain't
going to take that. [laughter] ...?... not in the condition I was in,
now I wasn't in any condition to take it, because I was completely
undone after four and a half hours of hearing the thing over and over,
this is it... and not knowing that was it. This is a microphone....it's
a piano, a piano...it's a microphone...piano, piano, mico... yeah...
[repeated very fast] that's what I was doing. Yi, yi, yi. Okay it's a
microphone. 

	"Now you've got it."

	"Hold it, what about your two experiences?"

	"What two experiences?"

	 As though he didn't have several. I said, "You know, you ought to know
you had them." [laughter] I mean I wasn't that I was nasty...you'd have
to be there to know what I had gone through and was going through. I'd
wake up in the morning and try to read it, and within half an hour my
nerves were so shot I was trying to literally wanting to vomit. I'd lay
on the bench, just lie on the bench just roll and groan, and then try to
get up again and go at it again. I always fought like brother, I don't
want to be fought again, except I was fought this last over what I
believe what I'm teaching right now, and fought again by the devil. And
I've gone through my own personal hell on that. 

69.	But it was rough, so I said, "You ought to know you had him." I
said, "That time (I said,) you said, 'That you heard the Voice speaking
in other tongues and your sins rolled away and you ran and jumped up and
down, running down the road.'"

	I said, "You also mentioned the time that you were in a wood shed like
rain pelting your body, (and I said,) you're receiving the Holy Ghost."
Later on he mentioned about having received the Holy Ghost at a
Pentecostal meeting, a black church or something.

	So I don't know all the experiences he had, because I just said more,
and he drew himself up and as I said before to the folk, he just drew
himself back and he put his finger ...?... and he said, "Bro. Vayle, we
don't go by experience, we go by the Word of God." By that time it shook
me down, I knew what he was doing.

	I said, "Okay Bro. Branham, have it your way I'll write it up." And I
will say this, when I wrote up, when I believed it, when I believed what
that prophet said, and this is a key to my own personal ministry and I'm
going to tell you about. And it's the truth as I stand before God or I
wouldn't tell you a lie, I believe it's the utmost truth. And this is
when it happened. When I did that, and I realized what he was saying I
knew then One God as I never knew before. Because if you preach the
baptism as apart from the rebirth, you've got two spirits involved, or
two times, same Spirit, won't work. Once is enough. See? You can't trace
Scripture on what you're taught from this Pentecostalism and all this
stuff they teach are wrong.

70.	At the same time, although I'd heard that Bro. Branham speak on seed
I never understood it. But from that moment on I did, there's no
problem. From the same moment on I could open Galatians, and understand
Galatians. So therefore, I've had key experiences in my life of
understanding this Word and going with It. And I'm going to be honest
with you, I don't base my life on experience of this Word, I base It on
the fact I have had experiences from a good God Who'll continue to give
me good experiences. And continue to show me and teach me what I need to
know for the sake of the people, and I believe this last little while,
though I'm not been too happy with myself, you know, because I like
things to go more fluid and fluently in my own ministry. 

	Things have come to me in just allowing God to help me to pick the
sermons to teach in my own church, our own little church over here on 47
Bellfountain. Some of the real tremendous things that Bro. Branham said
that you will not get in any theology anywhere or from any other person
in two thousand years we are getting revealed to us in the things that
he said. See? It's just coming together, and when It comes together
you're seeing Christ in His own Word, revealed in His Own Word, and
that's what you're seeing. And let me remind you brother/sister, it is
That which you're looking at. It's like that cyclotron...the Omega
reflection. See? If they'd only not veiled Moses' face. See they tried
to hang a Baptist veil on Bro. Branham, they tried to hang a Pentecostal
veil on him. They tried to hang a lot of veils on him, but he wouldn't
be veiled. They  never veil him, no way, couldn't just like Paul he came
out kicking. See?

71.	Bro. Branham had a pretty violent birth. He didn't have one of those
tiny sweet little verse you know, go to the altar, pitter, pitter, patch
you know. Which I'm not against...come on, you know what I'm talking
about, I'm talking about the man. The man was a violent man when it came
to tearing down kings, to be a prophet you've got to be violent. You've
got to tear down muck up mess, just push the thing...and taken mold by
the hands of God. And Bro. Branham came out kicking and a screaming
believe me, and he just tore every one of those veils off. There wasn't
a veil, they couldn't pin him. He was born in a Roman Catholic era
family. Irish Catholic Indian extraction the whole bit. No hope, no God,
no nothing. Look how he came through. Just...a tremendous person, you
see, not a veil upon him.

	Now you see, they put a veil upon Moses, the people did, didn't say
Moses wanted, it said the people did. See? Now at that time then
therefore, if they had not put the veil upon Moses, that would the
reflection, prophet's a reflector for God that Word coming in a Pillar
of Fire and the prophet that illuminated the revealing Word going to the
people, striking them would of gone right back to God, because that's
what the Word's given for. The Bride gives back a ministry to Her
Husband what He provides.

72.	Then you see that same Word coming from God would strike the prophet
again. That's what's going on here now but you don't realize it. You
see? That's one reason I preach the way I preach, I know what's going
on, yet I'm a very stupid person. And I'm not grateful enough for what's
going on I'll be honest with you. Then you see hitting the people go
back again, and this time when It comes back It's more intensified, and
It comes faster and faster. And you know, (and our own people which are
here, they're not too many of them of course,) you know in your hearts
I'm telling you the truth, that every time I go into what the prophet
went in to and show you the eighty percent of his Message, 'God in the
Prophet', something is quickened you and it's easier and simpler, It's
just moving faster and faster. And the faster a thing moves the less
friction there is, and quickened until it takes off.

	Gravity does not have a pull when the speed gets high enough. And
remember, we're not back in the Frenchman's day when he thought of a
thing rolling thirty miles an hour would defy gravity and go off into
space. We are at the age of what? Ten thousand miles an hour, or twenty
thousand, or thirty thousand and hour or whatever it is. How fast can
that rocket get off the ground? I don't know.  Do you know Peter? You're
not in that type of scientific. What about it Gene.  [Gene replies:]
"Eighteen thousand miles," well that's getting pretty close, twenty,
thirty... eighteen thousand, see? That's the speed.

	Well you tell me, you tell me how gravity is going to defy that, and
remember that's fire. It isn't the liquid doing it, though the liquid is
doing it, but without that charge as Bro. Branham said, "That spark,
that car doesn't move, that rocket doesn't move." And remember, it's
solid (Isn't it solid?) fuel for propulsion. We've got a solid Rock
brother that's taken fire and getting out of here. See? You can liken
everything in nature to God.

73.	Now you see, He's moving faster and faster. See? You think it's
going slow. Now I want you to look back, I want you to look back to 1981
when under direct inspiration when those Norwegians came to listen to me
preach and I didn't want to preach to anybody let alone them. And I
said, "I'm going to preach this morning." I broke into 1 Corinthians 15,
and saw the sequence of the Word of God. Paul put the Church in order,
put the gifts in order, explained the Bride and the Groom, and the whole
set up and that brought on the Resurrection. I said, "My God, that's
what William Branham the Resurrection's around the corner."

	Then I saw God coming down putting the Church in order, and that stuck
with me for a long time, because I couldn't take the word 'subdue' in
its proper place, because subdue means, 'like brake and put down'.
...?... I said, "God does not subdue that way, there's no way, He's a
God of love," as a Shepherd leading sheep. Then after ward I found to my
dismay that the word 'subdue' is the same word 'keleusma', "The Lord
shall descend with the command with the Word which is a Message, and
that Message puts the Church in order.

74.	God Himself is bringing the Bride into subjection so that Christ
becomes overall and we've been taking the Millennium over. So therefore
now It's moving faster and faster. And Bro. Branham said, "Things are
moving so fast the desert. I can't even keep track." Twenty two years
ago I think he made this statement. What's going on today? See?

	Oh yeah things are moving, and yet they're very slow to us, and that'll
get very concerned that there's a breakdown in our thinking today in our
lives that we're getting careless. We're getting like kind of...you
know... "Old rocking chair done got me down." [Bro. Vayle says in a
singing tone]

 	Remember Aimee McPherson, 

	"Oh you can't go to heaven in a rockin chair,                          
                                                    	'cause the Lord
don't want any lazy folk there."                                        
                                         	And you can't go to heaven on
roller skates,                                                          
                              	you'll roll right by them pearly gates.
[some laughter]

	Now come on, we're not on a teeter-totter having a good time, we're,
we're having a good time, oh yeah, having a good time, but we're going
to have His good time. So, did I answer anybody's questions there, I
don't know. Well I can tell you the truth brother/sister, we're in that
cyclotron right now. 

75.	You know something? In the cyclotron there'll be an atom they're
working on, it'll disappear and suddenly out of nowhere it reappears.
Now one day we is gonna disappear, and suddenly reappear. And the
cyclotron is there to change the 'Atom' and we're getting changed in our
atoms according to the very Word of God, in a moment in a twinkling of
an eye. In a moment within our atoms. What's going to do it? What did it
in the first place? Word. "Let Us do, let Us make."

	"God," Bro. Branham says, "is going to create again, not through sex,
by the way He created in the first place." Take anything that's gone
even to gases bring it with the Holy Ghost touched, He going to bring it
right back. New bodies, everything, you know it's going on right now.
Time and Eternity have blended. That means mortality to immortality have
begun to blend, brother to ask. He said, "That if we're not Bride,
there's a Bride out there somewhere and by the grace of God we won't
stand in Her way." He was telling you flat It's going on, It's going on,
It's going on, you believe It if you want, or don't believe It if you
want.

76.	"This generation shall not pass away." [Matthew 24:] That Word does
not only mean twenty years, or ten years for this people, it means 'this
breed of people'. This kind of people, this Sodomite, homosexual, filthy
serpent seed bunch are not going to pass away, I don't care what laws
you do and you spend a hundred billion dollars to get rid of the AIDS,
and I don't think it's going to happen and something else will come
along; it's take trillions of dollars to get rid of, and if they get rid
of that something else is going to come along. But this filthy rotten
bunch are going to get wiped into dust and ashes by Fire of God, they
are not going to be exterminated any other way. They're going to be
here, they're going to be here, and they're going to stay here. But we
ain't, we're getting out of here. We are not going to stay here. I hope
you understand what I'm talking about?

	Now, you see, you say, "How real is that you were there?" Oh not too
terribly real, but I know it's true. It's not too real to me...well
somewhere around here there's a beautiful Rolls Royce, I don't think
they're so great myself, but there's a Rolls Royce out there. That's not
too real to me, but it's there. I've got a car sitting out there it's
not too real either, but it's there. Right now at this point I've got a
liver it doesn't seem too real, because I'm not burping, feel pretty
good, but it's there. How about yours Pete? But it's there. Well along
as it's there and you believe it, what's the big deal? You're not going
by emotion; now it's nice to have emotion. Sometime we have too many,
the wrong ones, they get angry in the wrong spots. Something like that
you know, get happy that something might happen and...it won't, but hear
it, you've got vindication, you've got proof. The cyclotron of God is
working brother/sister. Oh yeah.

77.	Any more questions? (You got one minute left.)

	[Someone asks:]

	"You mention the relationship of Cornerstone, Headstone, how about
Capstone and 	Headstone?" 

	Oh yeah, I'll tell you what, Bro. Branham seemed to use those words
interchangeably, I have more or less taken the thought of the Headstone
being actually the descent of the Lord Jesus Christ in the form of the
Holy Ghost, because he said, "Headstone's here, Capstone's here." I my
own self, I don't really differentiate as though there is a
differentiation, because It's one and the same thing. All it is, is what
the manifestation is. So I just say well alright, if I call it the
Headstone, I'm going to call it that, because it's the physical and I'll
call It Capstone, because It's a spiritual. But I don't think that Bro.
Branham ever pinned it down any...you know, any way to say what you've
got to use one against the other. 

	But I know It's Christ been all along, It's Christ all along. And
remember, he said, "That rejected Cornerstone must be the Head, and It's
going to come forth with crying's of grace." That's in Zachariah. So,
that's about all in that. That's fine.

	Well that's good, tonight Terry is going to preach. I will not preach
tonight, I will not preach tomorrow, I will luxuriate, I will take it
easy...[some laughter] I will enjoy myself with your lovely company. I
appreciate you kindness in coming, I certainly do that, I mean that's
the truth. And some of you I've known you for a long period of time,
love you very, very dearly, and just certainly makes up to all the times
that I haven't been seeing you and with you, and certainly wish you all
the best. I know so many people here pray for me daily... [Tape ends]

	

	

	

	

 

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