Question and Answers Bro. Lee Vayle - November 30, 1983 [No opening prayer on this recording] 1. The opinion, the quotes are dangerous and not simply valueless, but terrible impediments to your welfare, unless you know the doctrine. You have got to know the doctrine, or you won't know where it fits, and I can prove it to you, because Bro. Branham said, “If you misplace Scripture, you find your cow eating grass at the top of the tree.” See? So, remember the subject is the Rapture. Have you got sixteen hours? My wife's just got to get the briefcase upstairs and we can start. We'll take you to maybe page twenty-one out of forty-two. I'm not lying to you. I've gone over already about twenty-one hours. I'm not boasting, I'm just telling you, I know what I'm talking about in this subject. He said, “The subject is the Rapture.” We've got some pretty brilliant people here, with good solid degrees. We have amongst us even PHD's, highly educated. They know how to teach. Now, if I was a teacher, which I used to be, I'd say, “Class we'll take our history books this morning, bring me the blackboard please.” I'd say “What is 2+2? Say, “Bro. Vayle, I thought it was history?” Well, that's beside the point honey. What's 2+2? Make 4. Wonderful class. Who will now tell me, who engaged in the war of 1812? Somebody would say… Well that's fine, tell me what is H²O mean?” You get what I'm trying to say? Subject is subject. The subject is the Rapture. So every single thing the prophet said has to do with the Rapture. Either pointedly, or referring to It. But, there is nothing out of line. Moses bringing Israel out of Egypt is Rapture. The people scoffing in Peter's Rapture. 2. Psalms 27:1-5. (1) Thee LORD is my light and my (deliverer) whom shall I be afraid? Just a minute now. (3) (When my enemies camp around) me… (5) (I'll make the Lord my pavilion.) He tells you, “I'm going to tell you about the Rapture.” It's the time of the Squeeze, get ready for hard times. And, then he said, “Now, a lot of folk won't take my avenue." He's telling them flat. "You won't agree with me, (he said) “you'll scoff.” “The Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout.” [1 Th 4:16] Just a minute now. You say, "Well, what is heaven?" How do I know? I haven't been there. Well, it's not down, I can tell you that. Well, you say, “It's symbolical, it's in a dimension.” The disciples stood there one day, and they saw Him go up. And He said, “Why do you gaze into Heaven? The same Jesus, taken up in like manner, will come in the same way, come in this manner, or come back in the same manner.” [Acts 1:11] So, up is evidently up, wherever up is. He comes down. Bro. Branham said, as I read last night, “Comes down on earth.” 3. Now, you wonder why I get fussed up? Because, I have people all the time saying, “Well I've been knowing this for twenty-nine years, (or a thousand years) you've been knowing this, and you've been knowing that. He ain't here.” That's what they said about Jesus. He said, “I am the Messiah.” "Oh no, He ain't here." Now, before you and I meet Him, and we have quote after quote. Just the other day, hearing a tape, Bro. Branham categorically said, “You've got to be changed, to be caught up in the air.” And, John said, “You've got to see Him, as He is, and that means the 'apokalupsis' and the 'phaneroo'.” You can't have a phony manifestation, in the sense of a phony false prophet. And, though the manifestation maybe in the line with a genuine gift of tongues, and interpretation; prophecy; healings; and miracles; if the man is not with the Word, it's out. The Lord Himself. The Lord Himself. The Lord Himself. Shall descend. “I was not the One that He appeared, I was only one near Him when He did appear, down on the river. I'm not the One that gave the Message, even though I'm packing it. I'm only His voice." The Voice of what? The One that Appeared. Who came down? Elohim. Who was Melchesidec as a theophany? Elohim. Who brought us to adulthood? Elohim. He's here. Alright now, He's come with a Shout, the same One with the Voice. Who raises the dead? God. Who takes us up? God. All those three things happened before you stand before Him, and enter into the Wedding Supper. Because, that's spirit, and God is Spirit. You understand? And, when that Spirit that is amongst us, is incarnated to us, we'll crown Him, King of kings and Lord of lord's. 4. Now therefore, this question though excellent, is out of context. And the person I don't know who you are, but you have not been reading the 'Rapture' tape correctly. You're doing what everybody else does, and I must warn you. You're pitting quote against quote, without knowing the doctrine. And when you do that you'll go down, there's no room for faith. You must come to the definitive. That's right. Because, if you don't know what you stand for, you'll fall for anything. Now remember, revelation leads to pre-eminence. Bro. Branham said, “When that Great One comes, It cannot be a man, or (he said) I was the wrong one.” He said, “That One must increase, and I must decrease.” Those are the words of John the Baptist. Who is the Great One? You know, and I know, there's no way getting around it. Jesus did not come to the Gentiles, in the form of the body. Give me twenty hours, I'm talking about something else. I've got people who listen to me, too. [laughter] Preaching on the Rapture the other day, I said, “Forget it, (I said) four pages, two to go; will take sixteen more hours." I said, "I can't keep you here, and I won't stay here." Lady met me, never seen me before, Brian's mother stood grinning at the door said, “I'd have sat for sixteen hours.” Don't worry about it Brian, she'll get there. Maybe a whole bunch won't get there, but she will.” 5. I'm going to Matthew 12: Now, listen: (9) …he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue: (10) …behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. They asked him, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. (11) And he said, shall there be (mountain man) among you, that shall have one sheep, fall (in) a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? (12) How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. (If you're a nurse, a doctor sure, so on you know?) (13) Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth (your) hand. (And) he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like the other. (14) The Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him. (They couldn't take it, "let's get rid of that bird.) (15) When Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all; (16) And charged them that they should not make him known: (17) That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, Esaias, saying, Now listen, this is the Scriptural setting in the flesh. The Days of his flesh, that triggered this prophecy. So get it, this prophecy and it has to be fulfilled. Based on what you just heard, this is the background. (18) Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall (show) judgment to the Gentiles. (So it goes from the Jews to the Gentiles.) 6. Now listen: (19) He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets. Hogwash. You mean to tell me that when he kicked those birds out of the temple he wasn't striving? Haw! You have got to be sick. You mean he didn't lift his voice, the day he lifted his voice and cried, “Ho, if any man thirst, let him come to me and drink.” No, He said, [Bro. Vayle speaks very softly] "If any man thirst, let him come to me and drink….[makes more sounds] You mean at the Cross did he not utter in a loud voice? Well, come on, read your Bible. Just a bunch of junk. Throw it in the garbage. Whoever wrote this book is an idiot. Crazy. You trying to tell me that Jesus didn't strive? You trying to tell me he didn't lift his voice, so nobody could hear him? He did to the Jews, but not, to the Gentiles. There wasn't one. Now listen: (20) (The) bruised reed shall he not break, (He didn't to the Jews? He wiped out their worship system) (the) smoking flax shall he not quench, (he killed the life in it, it's gone.) But, when we were crumbling, and going down he said. “I'll hold them, and bring the life back.” Now tell me. And you wonder why I raise my voice and lash out. (21) And in his name shall the Gentiles trust. They never saw him in the flesh, they have a name. Now, we've got that name. Yeah. Bro. Branham said, “If what He did to the Jews, as the true Messiah, was relevant and necessary, He's obligated to do the same to the Gentiles. And, here He is doing it now in the Holy Spirit.” Now, you people, what are you going to do? Who is doing what? Where is He going to do it? 7. “Oh, Bro. Vayle, He's not here.” You want to fight? Come stand beside me. You got guts? Come on, prove me wrong. I'll name your friends. Yep. I've got friends too. Like the man sitting right here. Same man that lied about me, lied about Roger. He's lying right now, because another man that was sitting here left. He said, “Lee Vayle run around the world,” he said, “breaking churches.” So, Bob said, “Now that you said it, name me the dates and places.” Let me tell you, that man came down to the Carolinas, and lead church's back to Pentecost. You say, “Bro. Vayle be sweet, be nice.” I'm tired of you people, are so sweet, and so nice. Anything goes. Yeah. Do what you want, you're going to anyway. [Bro. Vayle taps pulpit] Don't get your wires crossed, read the whole tape. Not bawling you out. I think your question is honest, very, very, good, very legitimate. Have all three phases taken place? By no means. I haven't seen Bro. Branham, yet. First one up. We certainly don't have new bodies. I'm looking younger every day. [laughter] Where is old Harry Lancaster? He ain't so old. Hey boy, when I saw you the last time, you didn't look half as good as you look now. And here he's supposed to had have cancer in the mean time, and everything else. And fap, I think you'd eat that cancer's alive, boy. If' you haven't done it already. Keep it up, I'm for you. I ain't for the devil. No, we don't have those bodies, but, let me tell you something. Bro. Branham said, “The cells are forming around that Word, in there.” 8. Well, what Word Bro. Vayle? The Shout. And, Who brings the Shout? “Aw, I think my organization will do it. Oh, William Branham brought…” Oh hogwash William Branham brought it, he was only a voice. Where was that One? Down on the river. And, I see a bunch of people, oh, these clever people that are so, vociferous [loud outcry] against what we believe. I wonder about their intelligence, and I hear the man has got a little boy, and he's climbs a ladder, and he says, “Johnny come down.” Johnny says, “I'm down.” And he said, “Yes, I notice you are.” Okay, …?... Not your kid and mine. Get down! You're not down! Come on. [bolded for emphasis] And all the tripe and hogwash I'm taking, I met guys last night, four square meal …?...today, four square. Now, that I'm up, I'll going tell you I'm going to tell you, explain exactly what I explained last night. 9. Why I'm not having any more meetings like these. For the simple reason, it's very, very, simple. Most of the time when I leave home, I'm in the realm of a certain area of thinking, and if I leave there, I automatically begin to prepare for messages that I feel might be beneficial and helpful to somebody else. Because, I cannot deliver you thirty two hours and forty hours of preaching in forty-five minutes, or two and one half hours. I can't do it. I'm not a genius. A genius would do it, but I'm not a genius. I'm very stupid, ignorant and so on. When I break my thought, it's hard to get back to it. Now, I'm not trying to copy Bro. Branham, because, you know me better than that. I don't look like him. I don't act like him. I don't smell like him. I don't walk like him. I don't hunt like him. There's nothing. He and I are so vastly different. When I was with him, I wouldn't let my name appear on the billboard with him, because I said, “I ain't fit.” I do have pretty good hands, so I carry his grips and try to do a little thing like that. In 1964 in Tampa, he told me this, “Br. Vayle, (he said) I need men around me, who will not talk to me very much, who'll just let me go about my work. They'll take care of the books. They'll take care of the business, because, all my thoughts are of God.” And he said, “If anybody breaks my thinking, even my daughter, or my wife, I might not get it back for one month.” 10. That's a prophet. Now, I'm not a prophet, so where does it put me? I break my thinking, it's very, very hard to get it back. I come to a meeting, not only is that against me, I have to re-collect myself. You know I spend myself for you. My throat can be gone, everything gone. I'll stay up, and do everything I can for you, and, it's usually for people who don't give a rip, they only pester me and bug me. But, I got to put up with it, because they're genuine, see, I go home tired, because I'm working on my nerves. Now, I don't want you to feel sorry for me, but, I'm telling you the condition. Don't worry, I'm doing just fine. Because the Lord is my strength. I'm just letting you know these things. Thoroughly, always in the meeting there is somebody going to pray, or do something else that goes right against what I am doing, because, they don't know what I'm doing. I'm not hating people. I don't care about anyone of you, what you do. Be my guest. Do what you want. If you want to fornicate, don't include me or my wife. If you want to drink booze, be my guest. Just don`t include me, I`m not a social drinker. If you want to rob a bank, go ahead. I don`t have to, God is my bank. If you want to tell lies, that`s wonderful. Sit down, and join the Ananias club, but, I don`t believe in it. You can stinking well do what you want, or jolly well lovely do what you want. Leave me out of it. That`s fine. See? So, what you do, is your business. But, I`m going to tell you, when I preach, I do not preach against people, although I can name names. I preach against, what is being done, as a principle, according to this Word. And, I have seen what is going on. I have looked down the road, and heard what men preach, and I absolutely predicted, by the nature of what was being said, by what was being said in churches, which would lead preachers go to other men`s wives, and molest them, and it has been done and men leave their wives, or preachers, and get into sin, and I've seen it done. You`re not a fool, and I am not a fool. 11. When I stand up here and lower the boom as it were, and then somebody comes around, tries to pray some kind of a spirit. Right away, it`s the same thing we see in these quote, quote, quote, and brings a spirit in. And so I`m trying to pull some deal on you. Well, forget it. I`m not trying to pull some deal on anybody. And, I`m not going anywhere, any more, if I can help it. And I am a bit peevish you knew I was upset, and I'm telling you frankly why. I determined last night to be very sweet, and very kind, and very nice, but by the time a spirit got in here to make you think people think, "oh hallelujah, we must be very nice, and I`ve seen these very nice guys, they don't put their church in order. They tell lies, they defraud widows, they pull everything in the book. And I`m supposed to be dirty, evil, wicked guy, …?... because I cut and I slash, because of conditions. Now, if you don`t want it. Fine! And I'm getting out of everybody`s hair. I`m not mad at anybody, but, I can only take so much, and I`ve taken it. And God has blessed me, by staying home. And I was prepared, maybe, to start over on the road again. Because, I started meetings like this, and as far as I`m concerned will. Now, if somebody wants one, I`m not against coming and preaching to people, But I`m going to preach at home. Now, I don`t have to be on the road anymore. And I don`t want to hurt anybody`s feelings. And if I've got something to help you with, I don`t want to deprive you. But, there`s only one meeting I can handle from now on. Which is a little three day meeting like up in Columbus, my own hometown. And I will be responsible for every single thing said, and how it is said. And every single prayer, and what it means. Because, I`m not going to have anybody, any more, as far as I'm concerned, praying to the public, as though it were praying to God. 12. Bro. Branham himself said, ``You watch a man pray, he will pray different in his closet, he does in the pulpit.`` My prayers are very, very close in the closet, and in this pulpit. I`m not boasting. But, I want you to know brother/sister, I don't consider I've been a football, or abused you or anything else. But, look I'm a minister, and if you want to carry my ball, carry my ball. I'm glad to let you do it. I've got no trouble there. But, I want this understood, there isn't anybody going to interfere with my ministry. Period. Period. Period. I will answer to God, because, I've got to. See? Now, I'm not going to answer to you, and you for me. But, that's why I said last night, it just got to the point, well, what's the use? Now, I cannot say I'm not angry. I have been disturbed. Because I have had just far, far too much of it. And, when it comes a place, I feel I'm happy to be home. I'm just going to be home. I know, it went over like a lead balloon, but, you don't need to worry. Bro. Bob understands and Roger understands. And everything was going to create a bad spirit amongst anybody, because you just lay it on old Lee Vayle. You think I'm thin skinned? I am. Didn't think I'd say that, did you? Surprised? I'm truthful. But, if you want to follow my trail. Go ahead. And if you think my sort of 'meanness' that I've got, rubs off on our people, I invite every single one of you, at my expense, a few at a time, to come to my town. And you're going to see people that my so-called rotten spirit has not rubbed off on. You're going to see the sweetest, gentlest people, that believe this Word. Hospitable and kind. And nobody understands, how all the young people love me, and we've got young people in our church. And the little kids are my best friends, because they're the stupidest of all. [laughter] I'll stand on my record, and anything else. 13. But, I want you to know this one thing. I came to the meeting fully prepared, to the best of my ability, to do things. I appreciate everybody loved everybody as far as I know what love is, but a lot of people don't know what love is. They think the love amongst brethren, is to let the Canaanites who distort the Word of God, and worship according to folly and fable; that I'm supposed to put my arms around and join in them. Brother/sister, if I know the Word of God, you are wrong, and I am right. Now, if you want to do it, do it. But, don't come around me. The only safeguard I've got, I'm going to stay by myself if I have to. You say, “Bro. Vayle, you're kind of raunchy.” I never said I wasn't, you just missed it. But one thing, I'm not just kind of. [laughter] Now I'll get my bad spirit on Bro. Ungren, I'll hit him with a 4x4 to show him I love him. No bad spirit, now Bro. Ungren understands very thoroughly, but, just to let you know this. Now have you got any more questions? See them up here? Give me the questions, I'll see if I can answer them. I can't, I got Bob sitting down there. Okay, we've got another one. 14. All right: [Question:] The resurrection of the dead, is the very man that died, and turned to dust, the same that will rise incorruptible? Bro. Branham categorically said, “Look” he said, “If this book falls down, and comes up a piece of paper, that is not resurrection.” Resurrection, the man goes down, comes up. But remember, He comes up glorified. Hallelujah! Yep, he will arise incorruptible. [Now:] 2 Corinthians 5:1, Bro. Branham explained that as concerning our theophany, my dear brother, my sister, don't get mixed up with the other people who are fundamentalists. They don't understand this. He said: (1) (For) we know if our earthly house of this tabernacle dissolved, we have a building of God, (a) house not made with hands, in heaven. That's your theophany. Now listen, the word 'theophany' is not really true, it is your 'spiritual house.' Theophany means; 'theo' which is God. 'Phanero' to prove and show what He's God, manifest. But, it does in a way, it's the best word Bro. Branham can use, I concur with him heartily. You know what it is? It is something that God Himself, has eternally, had there. Which is like that Logos, and you step into it. You do not leave here, 'flotsam and jetsam' [odds and ends]. He said, “ I used to think, (he said) maybe like a little cloud floating around without hands, and say Hi Bro. Neville, another cloud floating by, (and he said) “Oh you don't know what this vision did.” And he realized he would step into a body, that theophonic body, let's call it that, and he'd hug and just embrace and have a wonderful time, with no ulterior feelings or motives. All love and beautiful honey right there. See? Beautiful. Now, it also says here, oh yeah, it wasn't in the question but I want to put this before you. This is very strange, I don't understand this, I thought myself, when the dead one with their theophanies come back here and pick up their frames that are out of dust, remolded. Bro. Branham said, “God will create again, not by sex, but by creation, from the cosmic rays, and the ashes, petroleum and so on. The calcium. He will form again.” Create that body. It'll be you. It will look like you, absolutely, just like your theophany will. See? But, it's going to be brand new. It'll never perish. Alright, now listen, when those people come down here to pick up their bodies, the strange thing, and I don't question it, because I believe the prophet. We do not pick up ours, we rise and it picks us up. No problem, I just, I just had to re-juggle my thoughts on that one, but, no problem, as the prophet said it. Hallelujah! 15. Any more questions? [Question:] Where did the prophet say that Cain offered firstfruits in the Message? Well, let's find out. We get it out of the Word, here. Because, you see a first fruit offering is the fruit of the ground. Cain, he offered unto God. Okay, "In process of time, Cain brought the fruit of the ground, an offering unto the LORD." [Gen 4:3] That's what it was. It had to be, because you see, there's got to be blood before there's a first fruit offering. Now, here's what God said, “If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted?" [Gen 4:7] The Septuagint says, “Thou hast offered right, but since thou has not rightly divided, has thou not sinned.” The sin offering lieth at the door, and the animal is there waiting for you to do it. This man was not offering for blood, but what he did, was according to Scripture, but not in line with Scripture. This is proven by Hebrews 11:4 “Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain,” Now, if Abel's sacrifice was more excellent, then Cain's was excellent. And so therefore, you know as well as I do, it is absolutely a fruit offering. It's a firstfruit offering. And, he was saying, “I can make the resurrection without the blood. I'm going to get there, and be immortal.” It wouldn't work. As Bro. Branham said, “This proves serpent seed, because you know how birth is connected to blood, and so on.” Now, I can't put you in any one specific place where Bro. Branham identified it as firstfruits, just at this particular time. I wouldn't be able to give you a quote. Page twenty-two of 'The Rapture,' the prophet said, “The Seventh Church Age typing with Enoch.” That's exactly right. In other words, that's when the Rapture takes place, in the Seventh Church Age. Now, there's no doubt, we're in the Seventh Church Age. We all know that. 16. [Question:] Do you brethren, believe that we're still in this dispensation? Well certainly, we're still in the Seventh Church Age. In the particular sense, that we haven't got out of here, and it's in the Seventh Church Age, these things are happening. Remember, we're under Seals. Now, as far as dispensations are concerned, you don't get them mixed up with Seven Church Ages. Because dispensations, Bro. Branham was a dispensationalist, in the understanding of how God was manifesting Himself. He was a dispensationalist as far as the Pillar of Fire was concerned which was Father. And then when the same thing became flesh, it was the Son, and the Father and Son were together. Then when the Holy Ghost came back, it was a dispensation of the Son of God and now again we find a short dispensation of the Son of man. Now, there's supposed to be a dispensation of the Son of David coming on. It's a manifestation of Almighty God. Don't get it mixed up with these other things. Your terminology seems to indicate there's some misunderstanding, so an interplay on words confuses you. Now, it's just like somebody said, “Well, is the Blood on the Mercy Seat?” I said, “Now, just a minute. If the Blood is on the Mercy Seat, what does it matter if you're not in the Light?” And if the Blood is off the Mercy Seat, and you are in the Light, it proves you're already in. Because, you wouldn't be… how could you possibly get the Holy Ghost, without the Blood anyway? So do you believe we're still in this dispensation? Well now, you see, you say dispensations and Church Age. Where do you find they are interchangeable? Where does it say dispensation one, dispensation two, dispensation three, four, five, six, seven? It's the Church Ages. So, you see your terminology is completely wrong. You're going to have to rethink your question, here. 17. [Question:] The Mighty Angel in Revelation 10: one foot on earth, and one on sea. (Seals, page 172) Do you believe this has happened already to the Jews? No, not to the Jews. Now, I know there's a quote concerning that somewhere in one of these older tapes. Concerning, Bro. Branham mentioning that, and so, unless I went back to that, I couldn't tell you that. But, Bro. Branham categorically says this, “That Angel that came down, was on earth when the Seventh Church Age messenger was down there.” And, he indicated himself. So therefore, if there's going to be a duel or a double application to this, then, that is fine by me. To the Jews or not to the Jews, that doesn't bother me one little bit. The point is, is He down here for me? See? The Mighty One that came down, so he did tell us, that that One would be on earth at the time of the Gentiles. And he said, “That was the time the Seventh Seal opened, because the Seventh Seal was Revelation 10:1-7, ” and categorically, it had to do with the Gentile prophet. Now, this transfers, and no doubt it could transfer, because, I'm not familiar any more with that obscure quote. Because, if there is one there, but, I can't remember and I wouldn't have the least idea, unless I have the context of it. If this is the same one that is remaining here for the Jews, it could be possible. But remember, as far as I understand Scripture, this One that brings the Shout and the Voice, and the Trumpet, goes up with us. And then Bro. Branham said, “He appears to the Jews in a symbol.” See? And also, the fact, as He shows Himself to His brethren, and they say, “Well, it looks like, but , I sure hope it's not.” And they get scared. 18. Well, he said, “Don't worry about that, this was necessary.” See? So I wouldn't know where your question ran in continuity, wish I could help you more. But, there's nothing I could say about that until I'd referred to the old… I believe there's an obscure passage there. It's just like Bro. Branham made a double reference to over there in Revelation 7. And, many people get all very unhappy, because the Church Age book says one thing. And, they find Bro. Branham says another thing. But, I've got actual places, where he said the other, but, the Church Age book shows identically. You say, "Could there be a compound meaning?" That's very fine. I don't know. I don't know. I can't tell you. I've got to be honest, because I simply don't know. Right at this point, all I know is my understanding of Scripture. And I say, do what you want, because, it's perfectly fine by me. I'm not here to argue with anybody, to be an authority. My understanding of Scripture, is that, that One that came down, positively came with a Shout, He Appeared on the river, He's coming more and more into the Church, identifying Himself, gaining favor with the people. And He did gain favor with the people, until He revealed who He was, and the minute He said who He was, good-bye. Jesus gained favor because He did the miracles. He said, “For what miracle do you stone me?” [Jn 10:33] They said, "Not, for a good work at all. In fact, we like the fact that you can take those loaves and fishes. In fact if we could whip you into shape, then you could whip us into shape, we could whip the Romans together." "Well, why don't you like me?" "Well, it's because, of what you said. Because who you said you are. And we know you're not. Because He's not here." [Typing to this hour] “Well,” he said, “You're looking at Him.” "Oh no, no, you're not here." 19. Now, Bro. Branham said, “He's brought into plain view.” He said, “The sword in the hand of a skillful swordsman, ripped absolutely asunder the curtains that held the Holy of Holies; of the creeds and the dogmas slashed down, and we beheld Him in full view.” He's in plain view brother/sister. And, people say, “Well, You're not here.” “Well,” you say, “Bro. Vayle, I know what you're doing, you're using every argument in the book and out of the book, for your point of view.” What do you think I'd do? I'm not with the rest of the liars. I'm hitting hard. You bet, I'm hitting hard. Because, I'm not lying. I'm not telling you lies up here. I'm not lying, out there on the street, either. Come, inspect my record. I'm challenging you. I invite you. I've got nothing to hide, except, my evil deeds. Just kidding, of course. I want to wake you up. Okay. 20. Taken a lot of time as it is. Well getting onto 4 o'clock [inaudible comment/question from audience member] Well, because we're in the in the Seventh Church Age. It would have to be, if it were in the Sixth Church Age, under the Sixth Church Age, that would be not a part of the Age specifically. But, would be under that particular time It's like it's under the Seventh Seal. You got Seven Ages. But the Seven Church Ages [Bro. Vayle said Seven Seals by mistake] do not run concurrently with the Seven Seals. You've got four Seals that run the length of the Seven Church Ages, according to Bro. Branham, on the Gentiles. Right? Well, within that, you went back and became Son of God. and what people didn't realize, that would change where He would manifest Himself as Son of man. And the Son of man was revealed. But, that did not take away the element, of the fact of the Son of God, the baptism with the Holy Ghost, because what He said was, “I am not He, the Pillar of Fire is not He.” He's talking to the Son of man. He said this is a form of the Holy Spirit, and nobody can see the Holy Spirit. We saw a ministry, and when the Son of man was revealed, He was revealed by human flesh, and in human flesh, and we knew it was He, because of the deeds that He did. The same One risen. Now, we can't see a Pillar of Fire, but that happened in this hour of the Seventh Church Age. And, I don't know that this,… I would not say that the Seventh Church Age is over. I wouldn't say that. See? Then again, when the Seven Church Ages end, you have the fullness of the Gentiles. And we're not yet, to the fullness of the Gentiles, as far as we know. After the fullness comes the end of the times to the Gentiles, when Jerusalem is fully restored. 21. Of course, you could put that now, I think most scholars do. The historical, and geographical context there. That Jerusalem is no longer trodden down by the Gentiles. So, the two of them, run pretty well concurrently there. You have all these changes, but in my understanding, when Bro. Branham spoke of dispensation, dispensation of Father; dispensation of Son; so this would be dispensation of Son of man, the only thing I can see of it. But, it is under our period, Church Ages. Now to me, it certainly did, because this is the Seventh Church Age. Now, there's those that take exception to this thought, and that is they say, "The Seventh Church Age is Laodicea, and I am not in Laodicea. So therefore, I'm not in the Seventh Church Age." Well to me, that's merely the bandying of words. I see that one can either condemn or exalt you, or do anything as far as I am concerned. Because, I recognize the hour in which I live, which is the hour of His visitation, and what He is doing under the Seventh Seal, which came during the Seventh Church Age to bring us out in liberty. 22. Again, we're looking at days. Bro. Branham said, “The seventh day, we're going to an eighth.” Some people say we're in the eighth day. I cannot buy that. I believe we're being ushered into it. But, I would say concerning those various terms, that to me at this point, it's more a matter, almost of semantics, more than a matter of, but yet is not just that. It's a matter of truth showing forth what God is to His people. Like, for instance, at this particular time that God is revealing Himself as the Son of man, and the baptism with the Holy Ghost is a true revelation. And, that baptism with the Holy Ghost from that point on says, “Amen” to every word that the prophet has brought. Then, positively you can see we are into that particular dispensation of the Son of man. But, we cannot forget the fact, that Bro. Branham laid hands on people and said, “You are filled with the Holy Ghost.” You know what I mean? See, that's again you got the Son of God. He came back as Son of God. So, I'm not prone to, take these words and make a fine point of them, as though my doctrine existed for that. I recognize, the Son of man, and, I recognize the days of the Son of man. I recognize the fact, that, where did Bro. Branham, get that? I'll tell you where he got it, this over here about the Son of God. He said, “Concerning His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, which is made a seed out of David, according to the flesh, and declared to be the Son of God, power according to the Spirit of Holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.” And, It tells you right there, that the same Spirit was in Him when He was in flesh as the Son of David, “Thou Son of David, have mercy on me.” [Lk 18:38] Then came to the Gentiles as the Son of God, and we know Him as the Son of God. But, the days of the Son of man repeat. During what time? During the days of the Son of God. That doesn't make any problem. Because Bro. Branham said, “Here's the prophet, here's the Pillar of Fire, and now the Son of man in Spirit form.” See, to me there's no problem there, because we're just looking at it. 23. [Another question by someone] “Oh, I think that was Bro. Evans or something, the man that owned the used car lot. Ah, Bro. Branham mentions this brother that was in the business of used cars, and he got to know him, and he began talking with him. And after being in many meetings, the brother began saying to him, “Bro. Branham, I'm confused as to whether I'm born again or what I have anyway?” “Well,” he said, “Why don't you talk about it, and tell me your story.” “Well,” he said, “my wife used to go to meetings, and I let her go, and it was nice that she went, and I didn't mind at all. But, I had my drinking, and my smoking, and my ways, but was fine for me and for her, (you know) she didn't bother me, and I didn't bother her. I let her go ahead, she didn't have the entrance(?) on me at that time so, I let her go on.” Well, he said he picked up a book one time and began reading in the book, as I recall, and then he began going to meetings and looking around. He went to Pentecostal meetings, went to Baptist meetings, this, that meetings, and other things. And, I believe, during the time he was reading the book, that suddenly he found that well, who needed to smoke? Who needed to curse? Who needed anything? And he found that he was quite a different person. And so then he heard about the Pentecostal, Baptist, and the Holy Ghost, the interest began to revive again. He went around looking but he said, they told me this, that didn't satisfy him. They said this, and that didn't satisfy. He said, this and that didn't satisfy. He said, “I just couldn't find any satisfaction.” And he said, “I'm still unsatisfied, (he said) I really don't know what is it all about?” Bro. Branham said, “Well tell me,” he said, "When was that time that you talk about, that you were different?” And, he told him the time he was different. He said, ”That's the time that you received the Holy Ghost.” 24. Now, here's a man that evidently, didn't know what had happened. But it fell into the category, that a woman cannot have a baby without knowing it, unless she's in a comatose state, or under some kind of a drug. But, the thing is this: he said, “You know that.” Even though there isn't the sensations and all those various formulas that people go through, and so now, here was a man who was believing in Bro. Branham, who saw the truth in the Message, and was wondering, did he ever receive the Holy Ghost? Is there anything I can look back on? And Bro. Branham took him back to that time, that was least relevant in his mind, as to indicate that really he had received something of this dynamic proportion. Because, all he could remember was, having as I believe the story's right, or what I recall; that he read the book, or some tract, and after that, well, where has the smoking gone? Where has the drinking gone? Where was the desire gone? Where was it? And, Bro. Branham said, “That, was that time.” 25. Now, there's no doubt the prophet could not have said that, had the man not been fully inclined toward the Word of God. See, if you`ve got the Holy Ghost, he said, “How in the world can you be full of the Holy Ghost and not say 'Amen' to every Word?” And they'd say, “Well, William Branham, that's just you.” Well, it wasn`t William Branham. You see, this is the thing that people… it's hard to understand. But, he said, “When you see God descend from the heavens, stand before groups of men, and declare Himself as ever He did, this Bible open before me, the Word of God.” And people then wonder, they don`t even begin to think and say, “Well, as ever He did?” How did God set up a pattern in His Word, that we are conversant with, that makes us to know, that God has stood before groups of men and expressed Himself, declared Himself? You say, "Now, when was that anyway?" Mt. Sinai? That could`ve been it. No, He didn`t talk to anybody, except Moses. 26. Well let`s see, He appeared to all the Jews and talk in the days of Isaiah? No, no, no, He talked to Isaiah. Well now, what about the time of Jeremiah? Uh, did God appear before groups of men? Not that I recall they say. But, He did, when Moses was there, God appeared and declared Himself. You say, “I`m getting close to idolatry.” That's what the Jews said, “This man makes himself God. Kill him. Idolatry.” They sure would have liked to kill Bro. Branham. So when you seen God descend from the heavens, stand before groups of men and declare Himself, as ever He did. That's tells you Hebrews 1:1-2. (1) God, who at (various ways , and different manners, gave a portion of the Word to the people as God was in the prophets.) So, there you have it. Okay. Lord Bless You. I trust the unexplainable, has been explained, The unknown is now made known. Shall we close? Let's rise. [Bro. Bell addresses the congregation] Questions and Answers (7183) - Page PAGE 1