Questions and Answers 

Beaumont, Texas

Bro. Lee Vayle   -     December 1, 1982

	Heavenly Father we thank You for Your grace and mercy.  Lord Your
constant abiding  with us.  Revealing Yourself, showing Yourself with
signs and wonders.  Showing Your great Presence here, with love and
mercy.  We’re thankful, for that Lord.  We pray that we'll appreciate
it, and thereby respect and honor and love You even more, and think upon
Thy great Name, Lord, and speak the wondrous things of God. We ask You
to bless us in the service tonight, have Your way in Jesus' Name we
pray. Amen. You may be seated.

1.	Now, I'm not going to take a special message tonight, we'll continue
next Sunday where we left off and we went away. And what I want to do is
to just sort of give you an idea what kind of questions people ask me
when we have a question and answer period away from home.

	You know, you haven't had a chance to do that for quite a long time,
but I was asked to answer questions when I was in the church in Beaumont
after the services were held down town. So, I'm just going to look at
some of these, and I think some of these will be quite good to discuss
tonight.

2.	One question came in: [Question one:]	

	 "When did the Presence of God first come to our prophet?"

	And of course, we're talking in terms of Bro. Branham's mentioning the
Pillar of Fire coming down to earth, and what came from that Pillar of
Fire by way of revelation. And of course that was in June 11, 1933, when
that Pillar of Fire came down in the form of a 'rainbow', and the Word
came forth, "As John the Baptist foreran the First Coming of Christ, so
your Message will forerun the Second Coming of Christ."

	Now, you'll notice that that is John the Baptist foreran that was an
actual person. And the forerunning was: that John the Baptist was born
only six months ahead of Jesus. And then of course he had a ministry
wherein he was called to identify Jesus Christ. So, there's a man and a
ministry that was forerunning the One that we know to be Jesus our Lord
and Savior.

	Now, Bro. Branham has a Message wherein that the Message would be the
actual forerunning of the Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. Remember,
Bro. Branham differentiated between 'coming' and 'appearing'. 

	In the 'End Time Evangelism' [62-06-03] he says something like this, I
can't read it all, I just cut an excerpt out here:

		 "See, they had a testimony that they had seen the Lord. the others
didn't 					believe it, and He upbraided them because of the hardness of
their hearts. 					They didn't believe these people who had seen that He
was not dead, He's 					alive." 	(Same thing today when you see His
work.)

	Now, we have already seen and are witnessing the Appearing of the Lord.
Now remember, appearing and coming is two different words. To Appear,
then to Come. Now, is the Appearing, He's already Appeared in these last
days, right here with us in these last few years. 

3.	That's the same thing he said, "Do the Saints go through the Great
Tribulation when he said He's appearing in signs and wonders?" He's done
that for several years. I don't know when 'End time Evangelism' was
preached, it was in the '50's I believe. He's already Appeared in these
last days right here with us in the last few years.

	Now, it's a sign of His Coming. He's Appeared, appearing in the Church
in the form of the Holy Spirit showing that It's Him, because people
cannot do these things that you see the Holy Spirit doing. So, that's
the Appearing of the Lord. Now remember, It spoke both places, Appearing
and Coming. [Bro. Vayle searches for a quote]

	Now, he says here: [Feast of the Trumpets 64-07-19]  

[42]	Hadn't had it through the age. See that perfect continuity of the
Scripture? (Here 				we live in it.) The mysteries, even of the baptism
in the Name of Jesus, and away 				from  Oneness idea, and these other
things, how the Holy Spirit has moved that 				in and showed it
perfectly; and the true baptism of the Holy Spirit, the Token, 				and
everything, and placed it; and how He placed every reformer, and
everything 				just exactly, right before our eyes. And it's not in a
corner; it's world known. Jesus, 			the Son of God revealing Himself by
the Scriptures, making that Scripture that 				had been predestinated to
this day (like it was to that day, and all other days), 				live. And to
believe It is the evidence of the Holy Ghost.

	That's not the quote I wanted, I don't know that I got it here, might
be written down somewhere relative to the fact that something like back
where he's explaining his own ministry and he said, "The words of a man
won't do that." 

4.	So the Appearing actually started as a sign that He was to be in the
form of the Holy Spirit at this end time Appearing. In other words,
proving His Appearing by what He was doing. And that's over here in Acts
3:[19] "When times of refreshing shall come from the Presence of the
Lord."  And that word of course we saw presence means, 'that which is
visible to the eye'. And we saw that in John 15:24,  "That if I had not
done the works which other man did, they had not sinned, but now they
have both seen and hated both me and my Father."

	So, you can see that the actual visible Presence of God was the literal
signs and wonders that He did. And the same thing happens at the end
time. Bro. Branham placed this as a great healing revival that was going
on in the world. And then of course after Acts 19: comes the verse,
"Even He shall send Jesus Christ which was proclaimed in advance unto
you, the same One." Or, appointed. Then It says, "The heavens must
retain Him, until all these things that were to be reveled in the Word
would be revealed. Then would come that end." [Acts 3:21 paraphrased]  

 	So, we see here, the Presence actually started, the coming down, the
Pillar of Fire making Himself known. And then of course from then on,
His Presence would be known through the ministry that Bro. Branham had.
Which ministry is vouchsafed on the very grounds that that Pillar of
Fire was seen.

5.	Another question came in: [Question two:]

		"Please comment on the seeing of the Pillar of Fire, and the reflects
the Pillar 				of Fire. That is, Bro. Branham said, "They saw the Pillar
of Fire over a tape 				recorded message of Seals in Jamaica."

	Well, of course they didn't see the Pillar of Fire. The saw just a
reflection. There's never to be any doubt in anybody's mind concerning
that; that you go back to the Book of Deuteronomy and you have your key
given to you in chapter 18:16.

	(16) 	According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb
					in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice
						of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, 	
				that I die not.

	(17) 	And the LORD…They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

	And He said, "Never again will the Pillar of Fire be actually seen in a
body of people and actually here God revealed Himself to a body of
people." 

	From that time on, it is going to be a prophet. So therefore, the
prophet is the Pillar of Fire to the people and he is the Voice of God
to the people. And you have to reconcile yourself to that. And if you
don't, I've got news for you, you're just plumb out of the things of
God. You simply cannot tell God how He's going to do things.

	Again, the question comes up: [Question three:]

	 "Is there a difference in the Lord being omnipresent by foreknowledge,
and His 			Presence as a 1 Thessalonians 4:16, where It says, "The Lord
Himself shall descend			 from heaven with a Shout?" 

	That's absolutely different. That's absolutely different.   It isn't
that God in foreknowledge did not tell that event to take place. But,
when you talk about the Presence of God by omnipresence, there is no
such thing as omnipresence. There's absolutely no such thing as
omnipresence. Nowhere in Scripture omnipresence is pantheism. And
pantheism is against the Word. God is not omnipresence, what He is, is
omniscient and omnipotent. And with the two factors of knowing all
things and being able to do something about all things, then in that
respect He is omnipresent. But, only on the grounds of His omniscience
and His omnipotence.    He is not omnipresent per se.

6.	Now, this is a literal Presence. And It's different from the Presence
of God with you by rebirth. Now, God is no more Present with the
individual than you parents are if they lived in another country. Now,
you're the product of your parent. Whatever lay in those parents, in
their genes physically attributed to you, then by a work of God giving
you a spirit. Your parents are not present with you, except in the sense
of that you are the product of your parents. Well, so it is with
rebirth. The Holy Spirit comes in, in a infinitesimal measure joining
you back to God. But, Him being present with you is no more than (you
know) how you came by your parents. This here is a literal Presence. And
that Presence is the Holy Spirit. God in the form of the Holy Spirit. 

7.	Someone writes: [Question four:]

		"What is the difference in Christ being High Priest and Judge now, and
					contrasted with time before the Seals were opened?"

	Well, He's still High Priest. But, there's a transition going on.
Because, before the Seals were opened, He was on the Mercy Seat behind
the Throne, just as the Seals are open, He comes off the Mercy Seat,
takes the Book out of the hand of Him that sits upon the Throne, tears
off the seals, and climbs upon the Throne. Because, the One on the
Throne comes down. The Holy Spirit comes down. That's where God begins
… to put everything under the feet Jesus as per the contract. So,
there is a difference there. But, there is no difference in the actual
ability of Him to be Mediator so they can come in, Intercessor to keep
them in. And do all that work as the High Priest being able to be
touched by our infirmities, feeling for us, all those things were going
on. But, it is still a transition period. And that transition period of
wherein He is literally assuming the King-Priest office which will come
down to earth and be carried over in the ages to come; because, He's a
Priest forever after the order of Melchisedec. It's just like we see the
transition from Prophet to Judge, and from High Priest to Judge. It's a
matter of the attributes of God in His great role in Redemption being
carried forth. It's not too hard to understand if you're just (you know)
adapt your thinking to what is going on.  

8.	Now, there's a fellow down there in Beaumont, he's quite an astute
listener, and quite an astute thinker, and quite an astute lot of
things. And some of these questions here I'll delete. But, he's got a
good mind, there's no two ways about it. 

	So, he asks a bunch of questions, and in these questions he asks:
[Question five:] 

		"Is the Presence of Matthew 25:10. (Which is of course the parable on
the 					virgins. He says:) And while they went to buy the bridegroom
came. And 					they that are ready went in with him to the marriage and
the door was shut. 				Now, is that the One in the air, or on earth
before or after the Resurrection?"

	Now, you're going to notice something in here, that this parable is put
upon earth. But, we do happen to know that the marriage is already in
consummation on the earth as Bro. Branham said in, 'Invisible Union'.
But, there is a Marriage Supper that we're looking forward to. And so,
the whole thing is on earth and is culminating. However, in the Rapture
at the Marriage Supper. Now, what you see here is the Appearing. There
comes a time when there is a Voice, or call. 

	It says: [Matthew 25:]

		(1)	…the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, took their
lamps, 					went forth to meet the bridegroom.

		(2) 	five…wise, five…foolish.

		(3) 	They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with
them:

		(4) 	…the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

		(5) 	…the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

		(6) 	… at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the
bridegroom…(come) 					out to meet him.

	Now, you noticed, that there is a cry that is made. Now, it doesn't say
who is making the cry. But, this setting is on earth. And so, a cry is
made. Not, this is the same thing that you get when you understand 1
Thessalonians, [4:6] "that the Lord descends from heaven with a Shout."

	The Shout not said to be the literal Voice of the Lord. So, you know in
this case that in having to do as a parable looking forward to 1
Thessalonians 4, that this Voice here is not the literal voice of
someone other than a messenger. So, there's a messenger that is attached
to the Bridegroom. He has a recourse to the Bridegroom, and evidently he
is the announcer of the Bridegroom.

9.	Well, "As John the Baptist foreran the First Coming, so your Message
foreruns the Second Coming." And the Second Coming has to do with the
Wedding Supper, which has to do with the Bridegroom Coming. Because,
we're looking forward, or looking forward to (let me see if I can find
It for you) Revelation 19:

		(7) 	Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the
marriage 					of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

		(8) 	And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen,
clean 					and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

		(9) 	And he (said) unto me, Blessed are they which are called (to) the
						marriage supper of the Lamb. And he (said) unto me, These are the 
				true sayings of God.

	Now, you noticed that there's a messenger involved there. That's what
we're looking at. So, there's a voice, and this is the voice of the
Seventh Church Age messenger. Because, the virgins run out at the end.
There's no more virgins. You see, she starts as a virgin, and so
therefore there's the seventh age as a virgin. And you noticed, there's
wise virgins, and foolish virgins.

	Now, the wise virgins of all Ages are going to go in. But, this has to
do with the last Church Age. He said: [Matthew 2]

		(1) 	Then the kingdom of heaven (shall) be likened unto ten virgins,
which 					took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

	Well now, let's just…(I don't know if I'll get very far tonight on
any other questions. Because, we just weave Scripture back and forth as
you well know.)

10.	Okay, in Luke chapter 17: "the Pharisees demanded when the Kingdom
of God should come?" Now, the Kingdom of God is that heavenly Kingdom
wherein God has a sovereignty,      a sovereign-ness that wherein He's
ruling. And you notice: "

		(20)	…The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

		(21) 	Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the
kingdom 					of God is (in the midst of) you.

	Now, we're talking about this time which is all one and the same time.
Students will tell you there's no difference between the Kingdom of God,
and the Kingdom of Heaven. The Scripture is just go back and go forth
all the time. And so the Kingdom God on earth, Kingdom of Heaven on
earth, it wouldn't matter which way you looked at it.

	So, you're looking at a situation here wherein It tells you that the
Kingdom of Heaven at the end-time there's going to be a wise virgin and
there's going to be foolish virgin, and there are going to be those that
are called out to behold Him

11.	Now, they're called out to behold Him, and you'll noticed that five
don't get to behold Him. And yet, He's right under their noses. You see,
the word that they have cannot be anointed to reveal Him, I don't care
who they are. See, those foolish virgins are denominations. They're
those that are standing at the end-time. And they stand for grace, five
major groups you might see at the end-time. Out of them will be those
who goes to the Great Tribulation and are purged. (See?) But, they can't
see it. 

	Now notice, the Kingdom and the Bridegroom are synonymous. Because It
says, "Then shall the Kingdom of Heaven be likened unto virgins that are
supposed to behold the Bridegroom." (You follow what I am saying?)
Kingdom Bridegroom. Now see, now that's what It says right here:  

		(20)	…The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

		(21) 	…(they'll) say, Lo here! (and) lo there! behold, the kingdom 	
				of God is (already in the midst of) you (and you're missing it.)

	The Bridegroom is already being revealed and you're missing it.
Because, that's what they're supposed to do is behold him.

12.	Now, the next thing is: "Come out and meet Him." [Mat. 25:6b] Now,
they all started on their way. Luther started on his way, Wesley and
Pentecost and so on. But, they don't make it. 

	Now, at this time these people in this period, lamp trimming time, is
getting the Word in order. Now, you get a lamp, you get a wick, and that
wick is all dirty and all, you're not going to get much of a light.
(See?) Now, they're coming to the place, "hey, shape up," they know that
something is required. But, there isn't any oil. I don't care if they
talk in tongues, it's too late. Talking in tongues was good at one time,
it won't work anymore. So therefore, we're looking at this picture.

13.	Now, they come and they say, "We want oil." And while they're trying
to get it at this period which is starting back in 1933 with a major
development in 1946, when He begins to Appear in signs and wonders that
vindicate that is God, period. Now, you know this has nothing to do with
Seven Church Ages of people being baptized with the Holy Ghost. Because,
this has not happened in Seven Church Ages. This is at the end of the
Seventh Church Age.

	Now, It says; [Matthew 25]

		(10) 	…while they went to buy, (while they were trying to receive
the Holy 					Spirit, they that were ready went into the Marriage
Supper) and the door 					was shut.

	Now, over here;  [Luke 17] 

		(22) 	 And he said (to) the disciples, The days will come, (and
you'll) desire 					to see one of the days of the Son of man, and shall
not see it.

	Now, this is what He's talking about, the Kingdom, and Appearing in the
days of the Son of man. (Have I lost you, anybody? Huh? I think I lost
you, you're going to have to play this tape over and over again to get
it. Because, I'm giving you absolutely verbatim what you need to know.)

	Now, He said, "This is the beholding part." (See?) The coming out to
meet Him, "Come out of her My people." [Rev. 18:4] (See?) Because you're
in Babylon that says you can see, and you can't see. That says: you've
got oil and you don't have oil. That says: you are dressed and you are
not dressed. That says: you are rich and you are not rich. You got to
get out. "Behold, I stand at the door and knock." [Rev. 3:20]

14.	Now, this is the beholding of Him, seeing Him do the same works that
He did when He was here upon earth, which He did not do in the Seven
Church Ages, until this time.

	Now, [Luke 17] 

		(22) 	And  (say, he'll) desire to see (it).  

		(23) 	And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: (do) not…	
				follow them. (Don't follow Luther. Don't follow Wesley. Don't 					
follow Smith. Don't follow anybody. See?)

	Now, there's only One that you are engaged with concerning the
Bridegroom, whoever has that voice. Now, the one that has the voice will
bring you out and lead you to Him, so you can behold Him, and then meet
Him at the Wedding Supper. Now, nobody else can do it.

	Now, It said, "Don't follow them." Now, these are not voices over here
in Matthew, they're not voices. It's 'a cry', that which means 'an
arousal'. That which means 'a warning'. Now, it's a singular. All right,
they're all alerted.

15.	Okay, now He tells you here: "You are going to want to see the day."
But, He said, "You won't, but there'll be a group who do see the day of
the Son of man." [Luke 17:22]

	[Luke 17:]

		(26) 	And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be in the days of
the 						Son of man.

		(27)	…(eating and drinking…and so on.)

		(28) 	Likewise as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank,
they 					bought, they sold, …

	Now notice, that before Noah there was a Rapture. (See?) Before Sodom
and Gomorrah there was Abraham with God and the Elect. Now:

		(29) 	… the same day that Lot went out of [Sodom] fire and brimstone
						(came down)… 

		(30) 	Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is
revealed.

		(31) 	In that day, he (that's on) the housetop, and (so on) …not
return…

		(32) 	Remember Lot's wife.

		(33) 	(Whoever) shall seek to save his life shall lose it; (whosever)
shall 						lose his life shall preserve it.

	Now, in other words, It tells you right there that there has to be a
selling out at the end-time. Because, It says, "Whoever seeks to save
his soul, shall lose it." [Lk 17:33] That's what the Word is. "Whoever
shall lose it, shall preserve it."

		(34) 	I tell you, in that night (there'll) be two men in one bed…

	Now, you'll notice in here that this is going to require a commitment
of the total loss to the individual in order that God will do something
for Him. Now, and those who don't do it, are going to find themselves in
trouble. Because, they'll find themselves in a flood and in the fire of
destruction. Now:

		(34)	…two in (a) bed; one taken, (one) left.

		(35)	Two…grinding…one taken, (one) left.

		(36) 	Two…in the field; one taken, (one) left. (That's the Rapture.)

	So, over here we find that this tells you, "Afterward, that they that
are ready went into the marriage and the door was shut." [Mt 25:10]

	All right, there comes a time when nobody else can come in. The
marriage is completely consummated, there's nobody can come in. And all
this is taking right here, right down upon earth now. (See?)

16.	Now, afterward there are those saying, "Lord, Lord, open to us."
[Mat. 25:11] And there is no way they can get in. And it's at that time
that the Rapture takes place. Because, they shout and the cry, or the
voice on this earth is identical.

	Then It says, "When the dead come out of the ground and they're all
caught up to the Marriage Supper." 

	Now: [Matthew 25]

		(13) 	Watch therefore, for (you) know neither the day nor the hour
(when) 					the Son of man cometh.

	Now, you can put in here is you wish the literal  'Coming' that nobody
knows actually when the Bridegroom comes down to meet the Bride in the
air.  I don't put that in there myself, I just leave that, because, my
own understanding of this is, the coming of this hour, that's He's
already come. That it has to do with the Appearing.

17.	All right: So, the question is here: [Question six:]

		"What about Matthew 25:10, is this the One in the air?"

		(10) 	…while they went to buy, the bridegroom came…(See?)

 	All right, the Bridegroom absolutely is here in the form of the Holy
Spirit, He has been absolutely revealed to us. And if you want to go
further you come to the place that after the revelation the Bride is
caught up to meet Him in the air; and you're at the Wedding Supper. But,
the major thing to see is you must connect this all up with the Book of
Luke 17, and so on.

18.	Now, in over here's another question this man asks: [Question
seven:]

		"Does God's Presence gather them together in Revelation 16:16, if that
doesn't 				do it, what does it?"

	Well, in Revelation 16:16 you'll see the armies coming together for
Armageddon.

		(16) 	And he gathered them together (in) a place called in the Hebrew 
					tongue Armageddon.

	Now, this is the influence here of God upon those who are against
Israel, because that's what it's all about. So, Let's go to [Revelation]
19:17, and maybe you can see something in there. 

		(17) 	And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud
voice, 					saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven,
Come and gather 					yourselves together unto the supper of the great
God;   

		(18) 	That (you) may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains,
the 						flesh of mighty men…(and so on.)

		(19) 	And I saw the beast, and the kings…their armies, together to 	
				(gathered) make war against him that sat on the horse, and against 	
				his army.

	Now, if there is a perpetration here, or there is the mighty Messenger
standing to call the fowls of the air because of this gathering here,
you can believe that the sovereignty of God is behind the gathering of
those…the antichrist forces against Israel for the simple reason that
God is already gathered Israel itself to the homeland, and these are the
ones that the antichrist comes against with the forces of the world. So,
you see it's actually a direct commitment of God to gather the people to
Armageddon.

19.	Now, another question asked: [Question eight:]

		"Why was God's Presence immediately prior to Sodom's destruction 				
different then to other times He'd Appeared to Abraham?"

	Well, He Appeared to Abraham as a Pillar of Fire when he laid the
offering and sacrifices out there. God actually just talked to Abraham
without perhaps even Appearing It was a Voice, and whether He appeared
visibly, that's not necessary to believe. But, He actually Appeared
we'll say various times. But, in this particular instance that you're
going to Abraham before Sodom, the Appearing, you're typing this and
seeing that this is a repeat at the end-time when Sodom conditions are
upon the earth, and God Himself, Holy Spirit in the form of a man, the
form of flesh comes to the Elect. And that's exactly what we find, the
parables and everything show us that, that God brought a prophet, God in
the prophet, and God Appearing also to the prophet Himself, bringing us
to the place where we know that we are just about ready for destruction
to come upon the earth.

20.	Another question was: [Question nine:]

		"If God's Presence to Samuel was as Words in our days, is His Words
His 					Presence?"

	Well, no, that's not really true. What it is that God is Present in the
form of the Holy Spirit in a Pillar of Fire, and we do not see Him as
the prophet saw Him, But, because of the Message that the prophet brings
so that the Word are the words of Life, and that Word is really indwelt
by the Life of Almighty God, the Word to us forms the flesh of the Holy
Spirit, so that we are able to see Him revealed to us through those
expressions. It's not too hard to understand that if you just realize
that Moses stood before Israel and the Pillar of Fire was there. People
couldn't see the Pillar of Fire. Moses saw the Pillar of Fire, and Moses
brought the Word.

	Now remember, they said, "Now Moses, what we want to do is to get the
Presence of God, the visibility of God and the Word of God, in a way
that does not encompass any longer the Pillar of Fire and the voices of
thunder."

21.	So, all you've got here then, you've got a prophet standing here,
the Presence of God vindicated by what the Words of the prophet bring
forth, and then the Words of the prophet directed to us in the form of a
Message completely reveal God to us. And people just don't want to
accept that as the way that God operates. They want some other way that
God operates. And you're not going to change it. Because, when Israel
did not want to see and hear anymore, God said, "Okay, then what's
you're going to do is get somebody stand there with a ministry that'll
let you know I am the One, and from that time on it's Word. (See?)

	Now, that's what you're up against. And, it's not hard at all, because
Jesus really was Word in human flesh, and now we've got the Spirit
clothed in that Word, and when that Word comes to us, we literally have
God unveiled in our midst. And we just believe it, and that way we see
Him.

21.	 Now, he says here, another question. [Question ten:]

		"John saw God's Presence among the seven lamp stands. (Revelation 				
1:10) After it was announced as a Coming by a Trumpet, what was the 				
difference between this Presence, and as the Presence already in John 		
		and in His Church Age's people?"

	Well, that's what we've looked at many, many times. There is a
tremendous difference. Because, what was in John and in the Seven Church
Ages was Pentecost. Now, here's where you get people really upset,
because it's always the same thing. They want to quote Bro. Branham,
"We've to return to Pentecost." Now, they forget that Bro. Branham said,
"Original Pentecost." Now, that's telling you that you really got to be
full of the Holy Ghost. And that the Church has got to become a virgin.

	Now, the Pentecostal's and all these people that are so hepped up with
gifts and tongues and all, they want to place that in the realm of body
manifestation. And lots of miracles and lots of things. And they want to
bypass the Word. They forget (they forget) that original Pentecost was a
virgin. But, in the First Church Age, (and pardon the expression) she
began turning into a whore.

	Now, nobody wants to talk about a whore. Because, if the church is a
whore, then the people that are in the churches are whores. Now, nobody
likes that. Nobody wants to be called a bastard to the Word. Nobody
wants to be called a whore. Now, those are tough words, but it's the
truth. Nobody wants to be called a dog which is a male prostitute. 

22.	Now, let's just take a look at what's going on today. Now, this is
shocking, but we might as well get right down to the nitty-gritty, the
shock-er-roo, because that's just where we got to be. That's why I
preach the way I preach, because nobody listens unless you shock the
pants plumb right off of them, and all they do is get mad.

	Now, it says right here at the end-time, after the opening of the
Seals. He said: [Rev 22:]

		(10) 	…Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the
time 						is at hand.

		(11) 	He that is unjust, (is) unjust still: …filthy…filthy
still:…righteous,						…righteous still: …holy,…holy still.

	Now, at that time:

		(12) 	…behold, I come quickly; my reward is with me, to give every
man 					according as his work shall be.

	Now, that's absolutely the handing of the rewards to the righteous and
the judgments on earth. They both get their rewards. …

	[Revelation 18]

		(5) 	For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered 		
			her iniquities.

		(6) 	Reward her even as she rewarded you, double unto her double
according 					to her works… 

23.	[Revelation 15]

		(3) 	And they (sang) the song of Moses the servant of God, and…the 	
				Lamb, saying, Great and marvelous are thy works, Lord God 					
Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

		(4) 	Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou 	
				only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; 	
				for thy judgments are made manifest.

	[Revelation 11]

		(18) 	And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time
of 					the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou (should)
give 						reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and
them 						that fear thy name, small and great; and destroy them (that)
destroy 					the earth.

	All right, [Revelation 22]

		(12) 	And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give 	
				every man according as his work shall be.

	Now, you can see right there that the swift turning to the Judge comes
with the opening of the Seals. Wherein the Bride is judge worthy and
blameless. And the people are going to get clobbered. Now:

		(13) 	I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end… 

	All right, what Alpha? The Alpha of the Judge. Back in Abraham's day,
the righteous shall not perish with the wicked, but they'll be rewarded
with the Son, and taking over the earth. The rest will get burned up.

		(14) 	Blessed are they that (wash their robes), that they may have
right 						to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into
the city.

		(15) 	For without are (male prostitutes) and (poisoners),
whoremongers, 						(those sorcerers are doctors with the wrong
prescription)							murderers, idolaters, whosoever loveth and maketh a
lie.

 	Now, that's pretty blunt. But, that's exactly what we have here at
this end-time.

24.	Now, the people don't want to believe in what we understand as an
end-time Message. They won't accept that immediately after a few years
of the Gospel, the church fell.

	[Revelation 2]

		(5) 	Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and (change your 
				mind), and do the first works… 

	Revelation 3: [15-18] He said:

		(15) 	I know (your) works, (you're) neither cold nor hot: I would 				
		(you're) cold or hot.

		(16)	…(you're) lukewarm…(I'll) spue (you) out of my mouth.

		(17) 	(You say, I'm) increased (in) goods, and need of nothing; (know)
						not (you're) wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked:

	Now, naked means, she's been caught in adultery.

		(18)	 I counsel (you) to buy of me gold tried in the fire, (you may)
be 						rich; white raiment, (you may) be clothed, (she's not clothed)
and the 					shame of (your) nakedness do not appear; (that you're not
caught.)

	Hold your finger there. 1 John 2:28

		(28) 	…little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we
have 						confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his (Presence.)

	John 15:

		(1) 	I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

		(2) 	Every branch that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every 			
		branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth 				
	more fruit.

		(3) 	Now (you) are clean through the word I have spoken…  

		(4) 	Abide in me…

	Now, that fruit has to do with abiding, which is the Word. Now, connect
those together. Come on back to [Revelation] 3: [18-19]

		(18)	…(she's caught in her adulteries.)

		(19)	 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: (I purge) be zealous
therefore, 					and repent.

25.	Now, the church is admonished that she change her mind. She repent.
So therefore, it's in the mind that the church went hay-wire. 

	2 Corinthians 11: [2-3]

		(2) 	(I'm) jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused 	
				you to one husband, I present you as a chaste virgin… 

		(3) 	But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through 						his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity 						that is in Christ.

	Now, It tells you where the mind goes off track. They're teaching is
hay-wire. They preach another Jesus that Paul did not preach. They
receive another spirit that Paul did not have. They receive another
gospel which Paul did not have. She's become an absolute outright
prostitute in potential. Now, at the end-time the church doesn't want to
be called a whore. She doesn't want her members branded as bastards. She
doesn't want her preachers branded as witch-doctors. She wants to stand
up and strut and she's nothing but filth. 

 	All right, that goes to Pentecost. That's what came out of Pentecost,
because they fell. What happened to Paul, (which was the revealed Word)
cannot fall. They remain inviolate. The church can't change it, but the
church changed it. And when she changed it, she became changed. 

27.	All right, that's what you're looking at, there's a tremendous
difference. Now, if you want to get back to original Pentecost, that's
fine, go on back, she was a virgin. But, these people want to claim
they're virgins when they're whores and bastards. I know it's tough, and
you don't like bad language, but It's in the Bible, and I'm going to use
it, because that's the only…have to hit them hard as a firecracker. 

	A man that procures for a whore is a pimp. The hierarchical system is a
pimp system. Listen, come on, I'm not just using bad language for…you
know, I've got a horrible, horrible way of using bad language, I use it
just to get my point across. But, I'm not using it to get my point
across. I'm going to tell you:  

 [Revelation 18]

And after these things I saw (an) angel come down…  

		(2) 	And he cried mightily…Babylon the great is fallen, fallen,
become 						the habitation of devils, the hold of every foul spirit,
(the) cage of 						every unclean and hateful bird.

		(3) 	For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her
fornication, 					and the kings of the earth have committed fornication
with her, and 					the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the
abundance of 					her delicacies. (And he said, "I'm going to kill her
and her children 						with death, the Lake of Fire.)

	Now, these people are saying, "Oh, let's get back to Pentecost, because
Bro. Branham said, "Let's get back." 

	Bro. Branham did not say, "Get back to Pentecost," except 'the
original'.

28.	They think Pentecost means, talk in tongues. You've got this Greek
out here in Phoenix trying to say the same thing. Well, nuts to him.
That which is perfect has come. (See?) Now, this Bible comes out right,
when It's preached the way Bro. Branham preached It. Not the way the
bunch of bohunks preach it. 

	Now, it's always the same story, "Let's get back to Pentecost." Yes, if
you get back to the day of Pentecost. If you get back to Paul, when he
laid hands upon those Ephesians and they received the Holy Ghost. Having
been corrected, and not until they were corrected did they receive the
Holy Ghost. Neither can we be joined with him, because Alpha is Omega
until we are corrected. Because, they come to John's baptism and it
didn't work. Now, Alpha is Omega. So, we come to the end-time. Where the
only way to get back to true Pentecost, is to get back by the Word,
because this is Gentile.

	Remember, under Pentecost there was a platform laid for fifty-three
years. No, seventeen years about. (That's right seventeen years) Was
53AD they turned to Gentiles. For seventeen years a platform was
…thing pretty well goes in seventeen's.

29.	So, the people today misunderstand Bro. Branham very thoroughly when
he talks about getting back to Pentecost. He's talking about getting
back to the Holy Ghost. And he's not talking about the Holy Spirit
dividing Himself only amongst people, because that runs out. He's
talking about getting back to the Holy Spirit when they were virgin. And
they were virgin because of one thing, they were virgin because of the
Word.

	Now, the Gentiles have the Word. And they were virgin back there. Now,
their virginity was lost. And they are a complete mess, they've
completely gone to the seed of discrepancy of a wrong Jesus, a wrong
spirit, a wrong word. And everybody is pulling for it. So, when the cry
goes forth, "Behold the Bridegroom," they know it's time for the Coming.
They know something is going on. So, now there's a great big return to
Pentecost. Pentecost, my foot. Because, they don't get the oil, the
Scripture says so.

	So, Bro. Branham says, "All right, return to getting a true baptism
with the Holy Ghost."

	Now, he tells you, they never get it. Because, at this time the people
only with the Holy Ghost can go out to meet Him and see Him. The rest
can't. So, you can see the whole thing going on and on and on. The
difference between the two is absolutely so different, it's pitiful. And
here's what we're running into right now, and here's what we're being
fought with. Because, you've got the people that want gifts in the
church discerning, and everything else, which is Pentecostal. And they
come against this, the way we preach the Message and they make It
blasphemy. 

30.	One fellow said, "It was blasphemy." 

	He should talk about blasphemy, he's the guy that Bro. Branham said,
"It's men like him that keep my true ministry coming out." He's the same
guy that made Sis. Branham want to vomit every time his name came up.
Because of the lies that he told. Now, we're listening brother/sister. 

	I'm going to tell you something: I don't care what anybody says, (look
it) I have been through Pentecost. And I have got today what Pentecost
cannot give. And there's no way that they'll ever get it. Because, while
they're standing around the plain, I can stand before any group of men,
and I will do it any day of the week in the power of Almighty God by
revelation. And the people will hear and they will know something, and
understand there's something in my life by way of the Holy Spirit and
revelation, there's few people stand in the pulpit never come near it.
I'm not boasting, I'm just telling you a fact. If you want to call my
bluff, call my bluff, I'm not afraid. Because, I've got a God. And I'm
not in my own strength for one minute. 

31.	I do not preach in my strength, what I tell you I know is correct.
Lines with the Word a hundred percent. It lines with what Bro. Branham
taught. They do not want to recognize His Presence. They want a
corporate body presence, it won't work. Because, when God stood before
Paul, it was years after Pentecost. Paul was not full of the Holy Ghost,
he was fighting God when God jarred him and got his attention. Then when
he was full of the Holy Ghost, he still did not have revelation, except
Who this One was that talked to him. Then, he tells you that this One
that talked to him gave him the identical revelation the others had. And
he said, "No man taught me." [Gal. 1:12]

	John stands here, and he receives an end-time revelation that nobody
taught him. But, what John knew in the beginning he now has from God,
the consummation. And he says here, "In His Presence," he said, "abide
in Him." [1 John 2:28] And that abiding is in the Word. (See?) Because
He sends forth Churches. And every branch He prunes and will go to the
fire.

	The Seventh Church Age branch has an original branch that it puts
forth. And that one is not pruned off, and does not go to the fire.
Everything else does. So, it shows you here that there are those who
will not make the Rapture, and those who do. And there is a tremendous
difference between the baptism with the Holy Ghost on the individuals,
and the Baptizer Himself standing at the end-time. There is absolutely a
tremendous difference, there is no way that you can reconcile the two
and say they are both the same. There is no way.

32.	When people begin to try to tell me and deny the Presence of God, I
just say one thing, "You not even believe in William Branham the
prophet. Because, there cannot be a William Branham, prophet that takes
a place of a Moses, who is a type of Jesus Christ, and deny a literal
Presence, it just won't work. Because, you threw your type away. Call
him Elijah, you might as well waste your breath. Save your breath,
you're just wasting it. Your testimony is not worth a plug-nickel,
because you don't even know what you're saying. There's no way.

	Bro. Branham categorically said, "The Elijah of this hour, is the Lord
Jesus Christ Himself." Not a man, God that comes by the prophet. Tells
you flat. For anyone to deny what we are talking about, what the prophet
laid before us, categorically, let's you know that that person has no
more idea of a prophet in this hour, than nothing, he's just standing
out there talking, because he saw something. Well, praise God for that.
We're happy for that. I'm glad for that.  I'm not here to make issues,
but I'm going to tell you, it's all through Scripture you can't deny
what the prophet taught. He said, "He's been here for several years
now."

33.	Okay, I don't know, we might get some more here: [Question eleven:]

		"God's Presence performed the two poles in our day. (Three poles
actually, but 				he talks about two for one reason. Because, in there,
signs and wonders and 				discernment.) Does His Presence also perform
the signs of impersonators?" 

	Now, you see, that's a good question, but the wording there is pretty
tricky. Because, I don't know what he means himself. [laughter] What
he's talking about. "See, does His Presence also perform the signs of
impersonators?"

	All right, what you're talking about here is Matthew 24: There can be
no doubt about it, because that's the chapter it is. Okay, the second
part of the third verse of Matthew 24: 

		(3) 	…what shall be the sign of thy (Presence), and of the end of
the 						world?  (Systems.)

	First of all, Presence then systems are destroyed. In that, remember,
the Presence precedes the destruction. Okay,

		(4)	…Jesus answered and said, Take heed that no man deceive you.

		(5) 	For many shall come in my name…

	That's Seven Church Ages. Reformers, everybody, all down the ages;
they'll come in that name, and they'll say, "I am the anointed one to
bring the Word."

	"Well," He said, "that's going to keep on moving." 

		(6) 	…(there's going to be wars, rumours of wars:...the end (isn't)
yet.

	Now remember, He places the emphasis on the end, rather then what goes
through the middle. Like Bro. Branham said, "Don't pay too much
attention of the middle, just watch the two ends."  All right, now,
toward the end:

		(7) 	…nation rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom…famines,
						pestilences, earthquakes, in divers places.

	Now, come on, I ask you a question: If you didn't have radio,
television, communication, how would you know about a famine or
pestilence? There's no way. This lets you know that none of this, none
of this is until there is a complete worldwide instant, or almost
instant apprehending of worldwide events. Now, up until a few years ago
there would be an earthquake in China and nobody would know until months
or years later. You can't even have a bomb go off today and the people
not know it. (See?)

25.	Now, it tells you, at the time of cosmos inter-relationship and a
medium knowledge, wars. How long did it take United States get involved
in the last war? Not very long once they made up their mind. They had
ships and everything else moving right now. Threw everything into gear. 


	Now:   

		(8) 	… these are the beginning of sorrows.

	Worldwide communication, inter-commerce, and that's the time that the
whore is judged. Because, she's got a network everywhere with all
nations, commerce, communication, rapport, un-tente, détente,
community, (see?) it's a one world order?

	Now, It says right here: 

		(9) 	... (at that time you'll) be afflicted, (they're going to) kill
you…						hated of all nations for my name's sake.

		(10) 	…many be offended, betray one another, hate one another.

	Now notice, that is true: 

		(11)	…(because of the influence of Rome. Christianity, and every
time 						there ever arose anyone to defy the whore, it came, and at
this time 					it gets worse and worse.) [paraphrased]

		(12) 	…iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

		(13) 	…he that endure unto the end…shall be saved.

		(14) 	And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the
world …

26.	What Gospel of the Kingdom? Well, let's go back to;

	 Luke 17:20.

		(20) 	…(They came and said,) Pharisees, when (shall) kingdom of God 
					(appear, when is it going to be?) The kingdom (comes) not with 				
	observation: (It's going to be right there.)

	So, It tells you the Gospel of the Kingdom. Now, people say, "Hey, that
can't be true." Let's find out if it's true. Now, this fourth beast in
[Daniel] 7: this is the one that Daniel really got intrigued with, and
he's going to speak words against the Most High, wear out the saints of
the Most High? Now, you can tell that this is the culmination of the
false doctrine in the First Age, which is against God and His Christ.
Which they neither understand the Spirit of God, nor the Christ of God.
So therefore, their words are stout against Him. In other words, they
change, they have another spirit, (another spirit is another god) they
got another Jesus, they got another word. And they're going to think
that …?... and so on. Now this is right down to the end, and It says
here:  [Daniel 7:]

		(25) 	…the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom 		
			under the whole heaven, shall be given…the saints of the most 					
High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions 				
shall serve…him.

	[Daniel 7:]

		(22)	 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the
saints 					of the most High; and the time came that the saints
possessed the 						kingdom.

	Now, what I'm doing, I'm looking at these verses here with the
understanding of what is  back here in Matthew. That with the Presence
of Him with His Bride, it is literally the Saints possessing the earth,
possessing the Kingdom. Now, they can't take it over until a certain
time. But, when the dead rise which one immortalized person could take
over the whole thing. So, we're in the process of the Kingdom and this
goes to the entire world, and then and only then can the end come. 

27.	Now, people are trying to talk about the Gospel going out to win all
souls. I don't buy that. I buy this: as Bro. Branham's Message. And
remember, it can only go according to the sun that rose in the east, is
the same one that goes to the west. And it doesn't back-track. (You
see?)

 	So, you saw the Holy Spirit start up in the First Age bringing them
in, and in the Last Age, from the feet up, the entire Holy Spirit is
here, that's God in the midst of the people. And this is the Kingdom.
This is that Gospel of the Kingdom.

	Now, It says, the end is going to come. And then It tells you
'earmarks', mentioned in Daniel the prophet, which is where the
antichrist takes over. And the pope goes to Jerusalem to take over the
seat of the universe. Now, at that time that that happens, that is the
Great Tribulation. (See?)

28.	Okay, now watch again, [Matthew 24:] 22, the days that set in at
this particular time, when all the wars, problems, this Message,
everything is going on.

		(22) 	…except those days be shortened…no flesh be saved: but for 	
				the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

	Now, this still has to do with, "What is the sign of your Presence, and
the end of the world?" [Mt 24:3] In other words, what sign? Now He says:

		(23) 	(Therefore) if any man shall say, Lo, here is Christ, believe it
not.

		(24) 	For (there'll) arise false Christs, (even lying) prophets,
(show) great 					signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible,
they shall 						deceive the very elect.

		(25) 	Behold, I have told you before.

		(26) 	Wherefore if they say,…Behold, he is in the desert; go not
forth:…						the secret chambers; believe it not.

	And then It tells you the secret we already know.

		(27) 	For as lightning (that's the unveiling, the light that shines
upon) 						cometh out of the east, (shining) even unto the west; so
shall also 						the (Presence) of the Son of man be. (And where that
is, where 						He is, the false prophet with the false word will
abound.)

	Now remember, Bro. Branham's own vision of the little man with the
Trinitarian club beating down the woman. He said, "That was my father
and my mother." (See?) What we're talking about right in the middle of
it.

	Now It says:

		(29) 	Immediately after (that time) the (great) tribulation… (sets
in, 						explain things 	further.)

	Now, He's telling you something in verse 32. He's going back:

		(32) 	…learn a parable of the fig tree; (that's Israel, see?) …his
branch 						is tender…(another place, He says, olive tree.)

	That's what we told you, in world communication, world travel, world
commerce, everything. A time of buying and selling. A time of commerce,
great prosperity, third nations rising up, everyone wanting a chunk of
the meat. Everybody in there getting a portion. Humanity rising,
Laodiceanism. 

	Now, He says,

		(34) 	(Know this:) This generation shall not pass (away.)…

		(36) 	But of that day… knoweth no man, not the angels of heaven, but
						my Father… 

	Notice what He said: 

		(37) 	But as the days of Noe , so shall also the (Presence) of the Son
of 						man… 

	Now, He tells you about the Presence.

		(39) 	(They) knew not until the flood came…so shall also the
(Presence)…

29.	Now, notice after all these things he mentioned of the conditions
that are on earth. Then He says verse 51, [Matthew 24:]

		(51) 	(He'll) cut him asunder, appoint him his portion with the
hypocrites: 					…weeping and gnashing of teeth. (That's not the Lake
of Fire, that 						is the Great Tribulation.) 

	Now, in other words, there is a particular time when he comes for His
Bride, the judgment is going to set in the Great Tribulation.

	Now, It says:  [Matthew 25]

		(1) 	Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins,…

	Now, He's talking about the same thing, over here:

	 [Matthew 24]

…when shall these things be? what (will) be the sign of thy
(Presence), 	                   (what will be) the end of the world?
(And He tells you.)

	 And He tells you: [Matthew 25]

		(1) 	(At that time) the kingdom… (is) likened unto (those)
virgins…

	Which we see over here in the Book of Luke, it's under their very
noses. And they can't see it, now watch: 

 [Matthew 25]

		(9) 	…the wise answered, (and said), Not so; …not enough for (you 
					and) us…go rather to them (that) sell, and buy for yourselves

		(10) 	And while they went (looking) to buy,… (they went out to find
it,)

	In the time of it, under their noses they lose everything. That's the
time the Word goes out, and strikes against every denomination. (See?)
It strikes against the Sixth Church Age of brotherly kindness. The open
door, where everything went out there. The Seventh Church Age Message.
The true Gospel. The Presence of God. The literal Kingdom. Right there
before them. The Appearing. An appearing means, 'to be made visible'. It
also means, 'to be manifest', exactly who and what, is doing what. All
those very words. Life, the exposure to light. Parousia, the Presence.
The phaneroo, absolutely revealed in its true character.

	Now, He said, "It's under their noses, they don't see it." There's no
way they can have it without the Holy Ghost. These do not have the Holy
Ghost. They don't see the revealed Word. They don't see the Mate. So,
they miss it.

30.	So, now, the question is: at His Presence where the real is going
on, which is in Luke 17: the true body comes together in the Rapture.
This other stuff is going on which is gathering the other body together.

	Now, at the time of the real is a tremendous amount of the unreal. Then
the question was, "Who is doing this?" (See?) Is it the Presence of God
that is bringing forth the false anointing? Absolutely, it is the
Presence of God. But, let's look at It. 

	Let's go back to Psalms 68:16. All right:

		(16) 	Why leap ye, ye high hills? this is the hill which God desireth
to dwell 					in; yea, the LORD will dwell in it for ever.

	Okay, (keep your finger there, don't move.) 

 	[Joel 2:21-23]

		(21) 	Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: the LORD will do great 		
			things.

		(22) 	Be not afraid, (you) beasts of the field: the pastures of the
wilderness 					do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree
and the vine 						yield their strength.

		(23) 	Be glad then, (you) children of Zion, rejoice in the LORD your 	
				God: for he (gave) you the former rain moderately, cause to come 			
		down the rain, the former rain, and the latter (as he did) the
first…

	And then he said, "All these things will be done?"

	Now watch:  [Psalms 68:16-18]

		(16) 	Why leap ye, ye high hills? this is the hill which God desireth
to 						dwell in; (that's Zion) yea, the LORD will dwell in it for
ever.

		(17) 	The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of
angels: 					(and) the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy
place.

	Now see, you're looking at the end-time.

		(18) 	Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive:    
                                    			(Okay, now this has to do with
the fact of what He accomplished.)                             			thou
hast received gifts for men; for the rebellious also, that the 					
LORD God might dwell…

31.	All right, go to Ephesians 4:8-11.

		(8) 	Wherefore he saith,  When he ascended up on high, he led
captivity 					captive, and gave gifts (to) men.

		(9) 	(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended
first 						into the lower parts of the earth?

		(10) 	He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above
all 						heavens, that he might fill all things.)

		(11) 	And he gave some…prophets… (and so on. And he brings it
right 						down to the end where a Rapture can take place.)

	Now, what I'm trying to show you is this: the rebellious refer to; 

	Numbers 16:1-3.

		(1) 	…Korah, and Dathan and 

		(2) 	…rose up before Moses, with certain children of Israel, two
hundred 					and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the
congregation, men 						of renown:

		(3) 	And they gathered themselves against Moses and against Aaron…		
			(You) take too much upon you… (See?)

	 And they were prophesying. They had ministries, and they are known as
the rebellious. Now, against whom were they rebelling? Against God,
because they refused to recognize God's way of literally dwelling, which
was with the prophet who had the sole authority of the Word. And they
said, "We got gifts. We can do what you do. We're just as good as you
are anyway. What makes you think that you got something we don't have?"
And they rose up at the time of the Exodus.

	Now, you've got the same thing here. Men of renown and authority with
gifts. Now, the gifts are of God, but they're not full of the Holy
Ghost. And these gifts can only come at a time when the true gift of God
is there. Now, Bro. Branham spoke of… in  'A Greater than Solomon is
Here', go and hear the tape again, you'll understand what I'm talking
about. She came in order to see a gift.

	Now, Bro. Branham says, "If everybody could lay down what they got and
come around this gift, there'd be a Rapture."  Oh, they're not going to
come around, it's just us. The rest are going to rise up and say, "We
got a gift too. We got this, we got that. We got this, we got the other
thing." And they come against, like I preached on 'God's Way and the
Prophet'. One of God's ways, is have a prophet. And nobody wants it.

32.	And yet, God said, "You're not going to get one thing from Me by
revelation, except the way that I'm going to give it to you."

	And, people says, "I'm full of the Holy Ghost, I've done this, I've
done that." (See?) Look, it's finished, it's over. Now, that's why I
preach harder, I've ever preached in my life, about the Presence.
Because, the more the gates of hell squawk, this part of the gates of
Heaven is going to come right back. You say, "You take too much upon
you, Bro. Vayle." Just wait and see what happens. I am, I'm waiting to
see what happens. You bet. I'll tell you flat: I'm ready to go plumb to
hell and way past hell, right to the Lake of Fire if I'm wrong. You bet
your sweet life I am. I've laid everything on the line. And I'm going to
tell you tonight, it's going to be a very short while you're going to
hear something else, and know something else.

	You say, "How do you know?" That's my business, that's not yours.
Because, I'll stand, I'll stand here and tell you and I'm not a prophet.
And everything I've looked at in the past two years, I haven't had one
thing fall back as wrong. I've watched men's lives and everything about
it. And you say, "Bro. Vayle, you make yourself something." I make
myself nothing. But, I'm just going to say one thing, if we can't know
something in this hour, pooey, who needs it. Because, if you can't get
something when He stands there with a prophet, and the prophet is
gathered to the people, and He must increase, and the prophet decrease. 

33.	You tell me, what is he increasing for, and in which way is he
increasing in revelation? Where the Spirit of wisdom and knowledge and
the secrets of God, the things of God are made known. Because, there's
where the transfiguration is. See, we've gone over that, time after
time, after time. I've showed you the reflection, the whole thing. It
lies in there and lies no place else. Everybody wants exploits then, and
if exploits is going to do it, the false anointed are going to beat us
to it. Because, Bro. Branham said, "The mule will out work the horse any
day." 

	"Many more are the children of she that has not a husband, then she
that's got a husband." [Isa. 54:1] Tells you flat, they'll show more
love, they'll show more everything. And preachers come by and say their
church, the love came down to their church. Rock hit them on top of the
head or something. [laughter] I tell you, I'm sick and tired of
nonsense. 

	Now, I've stuck my neck out, and you know I've stuck my neck out,
because these tapes go all over. And that's why people are raging, they
say, "It's Lee Vayle's revelation." 

	I said, "Hold it, it's what the prophet taught." I didn't get this out
of my skull. This is what I wondered, why years back what he said before
he died. But, I couldn't get to the bottom of it. I got side tracked by
the idiots who went around saying, "Oh, there's a real baptism coming,
nobody's really got the Holy Ghost."

34.	And if nobody's got the Holy Ghost, what have they got? Then they've
got a carnal mind that can apprehend the truth of God that's a lie from
the pit of hell. Carnal mind hasn't got a thing to do with it. (See?)
They don't know the Word. There's nothing about the Word in a group
that's against what the prophet taught.

	What if you say, "What makes you think you got any divvies on it?" 
(Well, fap!)

	Before he died, he said Lee Vayle was the only minister that understood
him and his Message. And believe me, I don't think I've lost It. I don't
give a rip. You say, "You make something of yourself." You do what you
want, put on a tape, send it around the world. Who cares, I'm tired
anyway. Might as well stick your neck out and get it chopped right off
for God.

 	We're to ripen in His Presence. That's no Presence, no ripening.
That's exactly right. What is the Presence? The Presence is Malachi 4:
"the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings." What else? 
Let's take a look at it.

		(2) 	But unto you that fear my name shall the S-u-n… arise… 

	"In the evening time, there shall be light." [Zech 14:7b]  Once more
the Word coming forth. Once more the power of the Word. Just as they
gazed upon the serpent. 

35.	It says: [Question twelve:]

		"That if someone misunderstands and thinks the revelation of His
Presence 				is a doctrine, doesn't the Latter-Rain come down as a
doctrine?"

	Well look, let's face it: there's no such thing as God acting on
anything but His Word. And if it's not in the Word, forget it. So
therefore, the Word must exist in the form of a promise, then it becomes
alive. And when it ever comes to a Word, there has got to be a prophet.
Because, the Word demands a revelation. And at the end-time the Book is
sealed. The Lamb Himself has to do it. Which is the days of the Son of
man, which He returns again as Prophet.

	[Isaiah 28:3-13]

		(3) 	The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden 		
			under feet:

		(4) 	And the glorious beauty, (that) is on the head of the fat valley,
shall 					be a fading flower, and the hasty fruit before the summer;
which 						when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his
hand he 						eateth it up.

		(5) 	In that day shall the LORD of hosts be for a crown of glory, and
for 					a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people,

		(6) 	And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and
for 					strength to them that turn the battle to the gate. (I prefer to
think that's 					the gates of hell coming against us.)

		(7) 	But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink
are 					out of the way; (that you see, that's a false revelation) the
priest and 					the prophet have erred through strong drink, (they're)
swallowed up 					of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink;
they err in 						vision, they stumble in judgment.

		(8) 	For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is
no place 					clean.

		(9) 	Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to 					
understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn 				
from the breasts.

	Now, that tells you right there that that's when the revelation of
Melchisedec comes upon the earth. That's in the Book of Hebrews 5: 
Melchisedec returns in the form of the Holy Spirit. Because, that's Who
He is, the great mystery of Melchisedec  comes up. And when that
happens:

		(10) 	…precept…upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line,
						line upon line; here a little, there a little:

		(11) 	For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to
this 						people.

		(12) 	To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the
weary 					to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

	Now, he said, "This is what would happen at that time."

		(13) 	But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept,…

	Now listen: God now says what's going to happen, and it happens and
that's the refreshing. And that is the rest.

36.	Now, let's just take a look here: [Acts 3:] 

		(19) 	…when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of 
					the Lord.

	[2 Thessalonians 1:6-7]

		(6) 	Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation
						to them that trouble you;

		(7) 	And you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall 
					be revealed from heaven with his mighty (messengers), (See?)

	All right, at that time when every table is full of vomit, (and it
better be) wrong name, wrong God, wrong word; or wrong Jesus.

	Now, this is that rest and refreshing, but they would not hear. Now
notice: but, the Word of the Lord was under them: "precept upon precept,
precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little,
there a little," that they might go and fall backward, and be broken,
snared and taken. Now, to notice what the Word does, the Word, like the
waters of Noah, take one over and destroy the rest. Where the ones go
forward, the rest go backward and destroyed.

37.	[Isaiah 29:9-24]

		(9) 	Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are
drunken, 					but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong
drink.

		(10) 	For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, 
					and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers 
					hath he covered.

	Now, that's the time when It say, "Awake thou that sleepest, and arise
from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light." [Eph. 4:14]

		(11) 	And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book 
					that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, 	
				Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

	Certainly, It got sealed, Jesus put the Book down, It got sealed.

		(12) 	And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying,
Read 						this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

		(13) 	Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me 	
				with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed
					their heart far from me, (now remember, the hearts have got to be 	
				turned back. You got a double identification here in Scripture.) and
					their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: (purgatory, 	
				falling away, legalism all that junk.)

		(14) 	Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among 
					this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom 		
			of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their
prudent 					men shall be hid.

		(15) 	Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the
LORD, 					and their works are in the dark, (saying), Who seeth us?
…who 						(knows) us?

38.	"The Word of God is quick and powerful, is more sharp than a two
edged sword, discerning thoughts and intent." [Heb. 4:12] It happened
back there, it happened today.

		(16) 	Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as
the 					potter's clay: for the work say of him that made it, He made me
not? 					or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no
						understanding?

	That's the doctrine of 'election' that's repudiated today as no other
doctrine is repudiated. Oh, come on…all over, they hate it. Merciful
God, if God gave man a free will like they tried to teach, then man's
free will would automatically be the will of God. Because, he could take
the things of God, they'd be right.

	Where is free will when it takes the Holy Ghost to reveal something to
you? They don't know what Bro. Branham is saying. When he said, "God put
them to the free will, free moral agency." He knew what it was, He told
Adam exactly what laid there, and what would happen. He did such, and
such. And God even told him what was going to happen. And Adam went
right ahead and did it. There's your free moral agency! (See?)

		(17) 	Is it not yet a very little while, and Lebanon shall be turned
into a 						fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as
a forest?

		(18) 	And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and
the 						eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of
darkness.

		(19) 	The meek also shall increase their joy,… and the poor among
men 						shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.

		(20) 	(And) the terrible one is brought to nought, the scorner is 				
		consumed,…

	Well, this…tells you what's going on just before the Great
Tribulation. 

		(21) 	That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him 
					that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of
nought.

	I hope you heard what I read there, we're talking about the Message.
And the gates of hell rising up against the Presence of God, the Word of
the hour. (See?) 

39.	Now:

		(22) 	Therefore thus saith the LORD, who redeemed Abraham, concerning 
				the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall
his 					face now wax pale.

		(23) 	(And) when he seeth his children, the work of mine hands, in the
						midst of him, they shall sanctify my name, and sanctify the Holy 	
				One of Jacob, and fear the (Lord) God of Israel.

		(24) 	They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and
they 						that murmured shall learn doctrine.

	Now, right through here you can see what happens to the one side,
happens to the other side. In other words, you see the parallelism of a
Scripture; wherein you see the blessing on one hand, the curse on the
other hand. You see, those that see, those that don't see. Those that
hear, then don't hear, and right on down the line. There's lots of
Scripture we can see all through here. So, what we're looking at is, is
this a doctrine? Well, look, let's face it, sure it is. Precept upon
precept. "They shall be taught of God." [John 6:45] It comes as a Word.

40.	Listen, to what I read over here: [Feast of the Trumpets 64-07-19]

[42]	It's not in a corner, it's world known. (That tells you, the Gospel
of the Kingdom 				went out around the world. (Jesus, the Son of God
revealing Himself by the 				Scriptures, making that Scripture, that had
been predestinated to this day (like 				it was to that day, and all
other days), live.

	Now, he tells you that the revelation that God depends on the hour that
Word is supposed to live. And the Word supposed to live in this hour is
what we said about. Nation rising against nation, the Presence of God,
Elijah coming, standing there with Almighty God. Now, he says, (if you
believe it) "The evidence of the Holy Spirit, righteousness."

41.	In other words, look: if that makes righteousness, the other then
makes unrighteousness. So, let's get back to [Revelation] 22: again. 

		(10) 	…he (said,) Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book:
for 						the time is at hand.

		(11) 	(The just ) is unjust…(the) filthy, (is) filthy: …(the)
righteous, (is) 						righteous, (the) holy, (is) holy...

		(12) 	…my reward is with me,… (I'm going to take my good ones
away, 					I'm going to give them prizes, (you know) crowns and things,
the rest 					I'm going to burn up.)

	Now, I don't care which way you go. There's no way you can possibly
deny the Presence of God. Now, if that Presence were Presence only by
the baptism with the Holy Ghost in a Bride, tell me what was William
Branham doing here? What was he doing? Why bother? Who needs Elijah?
(See?)

42.	If William Branham was trying to tell the people…look, let's get
back to Pentecost. Everybody gets the Holy Ghost and say, "I'm telling
you something that you have not known until this hour that you need to
be born again." Why, that would make him an unmitigated ass. A blowhard,
an idiot. A guy that had a great ministry, and now he comes on the scene
like a clown, and says, "Now, for my great ministry I will now
announce…" That's the same as saying, "That is an organ, and that is a
piano." 

	What if I raise the dead? Saw miracles before people's eyes performed
them in a sense that God did it through the man. And I was here doing
all these great things. And said, "Bring me your worse case in history.
Take the kid on my knee for (I don't know how long he sang, some said
two hours, I don't know. And see this little was nothing but skin and
bone, and he body so entwined like a dish of cold cooked spaghetti, jump
up and run with full flesh in her body.) And now say, "People, I'm going
to tell you something: that is an organ, that is a piano." Ho, ho, ho,
nice one.   Merciful God. And we're not idiots brother/sister. "I'm set
for the defense of the Gospel."  [Phil. 1:17] The same Pillar of Fire
that brought the Word to Paul, that same One was here giving that
revelation of It. I don't care what anybody says. All they can do is
mouth off.

	Watch it, say, "Listen you birds, perform me one miracle. Give me one
'Thus saith the Lord', you prove you're right."

	And they'll say, "You do it."

	Say, "No, you're the guy that's doing the challenging. I never had in
the first place. I just quote the prophet." Sure, but I caught them in
their lies though. 

43.	Well, that's enough. You can see what kind of questions people ask.
And of course, I always answer them different.  I add here, take away
there. I can’t remember what I say to the point, it’s all the same
fees, the same structural fees. But, the more I look at it, the more I
realize these are better answers than the first answers. I don’t give
enough I guess in those answers.  But, anyways, you can begin to see how
people are questioning, and I don’t mind if you do the same thing. 
Write them down, I’ll pick them up, let’s see where we go.  

	Let’s find out if the Word of God dovetails back and forth, every
single Scripture I’ve … let’s find out.   The reason is, people
just don’t understand, that’s all. They can’t put it together
because, it just isn’t there to be put together.  There’s a lot of
people, let’s face it, I can go downtown and buy absolutely everything
that James Beard or Craig Cliborn, to name a couple of the great chefs
of the world.  Not to mention Julia Childs and her French cooking. I can
go down and get the same ingredients, even import some truffles, at a
terribly high price, from France, maybe one costing me two hundred
dollars. And believe me, by the time I get it put together, you will
know I ain't no James Beard.  Well, anybody can read this Book. Anybody,
anybody can pick up a Bible. But, as Bro. Branham said, "Lord, any hands
can open this Book, but only Your Spirit can reveal It." 

	Now, what kind of a man would make a statement like that to a public
when he already has told them that he is an authority. You say, "Well,
he never directly said it."

	Well, I beg your pardon, he did. Because, he told the people, he said,
if Bro. Neville can't answer, he said you come to me and I'll give you
the answer. And he said, "If I tell you a lie, I'm a hypocrite."

44.	Now, nobody can make that statement, but a man that can get to God.
Because, if I tell you a lie, believe me, I am not deliberately telling
you a lie, because I don't know better. I am not a hypocrite. A
hypocrite is a man that puts a front on in order to deceive you. So,
William Branham stands there as a prophet to deceive us. He told us
flat, he said, "If I tell you, I'm a hypocrite. [blank spot on tape] And
I expose that flat. Only William Branham could say that. I don't care
about …[audio blanked out] anybody else, I just tell you flat. Anybody
make a statement like that is out of his gourd spiritually speaking. The
guy has to be some kind of an antichrist, or he speaks in an abysmal
ignorance. But, he better get back and repent over it. Because, that
lets you know when a man says that, hey, "I think I've got something
from God."

45.	Now, I've said a lot of things tonight here, that might make you
think I'm saying that kind of a thing. When I tell you something, I
believe is happening at all, up to this point I haven't made a mistake
yet. And I'm looking at something that I feel that God begin to move in
that could happen. And I'm looking at it in the next two weeks. But, I'm
going to tell you something: it might take two years. Might take two
months, but, I'm going to tell you, it's going to come.

	I'll tell you why it's going to come, because the prophet said so. I'm
not talking about what Lee Vayle thinks. But, I'm also telling you what
God I know has starting to do. Because, absolutely, and absolutely the
prophet warned us, "always looking back, always looking forward, never
knowing what's going on."  

	Now, we what is going on this hour. Because we trace it right to the
Scriptures, we show you the Judge. Bro. Branham started with showing
with showing us the prophet. And he looked down, he said, "John saw Him
as a Judge." And he said, "Now look, (he said) the prophet and Judge get
together to become King, before he's in His Kingship."  But, he gets the
thing started. 

46.	Now, there's something started right down here right now,
brother/sister, where the Saints of the Most High possess the Kingdom at
the end of the Fourth Age. And that's exactly right. Now, we see also we
see the Priest turning Judge. Sure, "the temple fills with smoke." [Rev.
15:8] I don't understand all mysteries. But, I know one thing: that
Judge in there, that Judge in there as Judge, even though crowned King
by the Saints, He is Judge before He gets plumb into His Kingship,
showing that He is Judge in the first part of His Kingship.

	You say, "Why do you say that?" Well, I'm glad you asked the question.
It's for the simple reason that 144,000 Jews have got to come in after
we're up there. Now, how do they get in? Under the Fifth Seal, by way of
the Blood. There's one thing else you've to know, they get full of the
Holy Ghost, because they're sealed in. Under the Fifth Seal they weren't
sealed in. It's really under the Sixth Seal due to the Seventh Seal
having come from under the Fifth. I'm not just talking jargon. If you've
got an ounce of intelligence you'll understand what I was saying. The
Jews never did…no Messiah, they were blinded under the Fifth Seal, the
souls under the altar. But, you're going to get some who have a
revelation. 

	Which means, they're going to sealed in by the Holy Spirit, so
therefore, proceeding from the Fifth Seal, you are going into redemption
through Blood and Holy Spirit, personal experience under the Sixth Seal,
due to the Seventh, because, the Seventh Trumpet is a debt to our
Seventh Seal. And remember, the Seventh Trumpet actually comes under the
Seventh Seal. Because the Seventh Seal goes plumb into eternity.

47.	Now, I hope you didn't lose the chronology there. It's really not
hard. It's really not hard, I hope you're beginning to see how the role
of God, dynamic living role, is like that Pillar of Fire, moving,
moving, twining, twining, circling. And manifesting what He needs to be.
The One Who was Prophet, manifests as prophet again. Though a son of God
manifests, Son of God again. Depending on the occasion and all. But,
it's the same One doing it. See, that's what Bro. Branham brought us. He
said, "He just changed His mask." Then, people get an idea, change the
mask, you forget the body. Oneness people they got all messed up with
the body. That's not hard to understand at all. (See?) Now, maybe that's
the end of it.  Let's rise.

	Gracious Heavenly Father, we thank you for Your love, mercy and grace,
that You've given unto us at this hour we're in, Lord God, that we have
been able to stand the test of time, the test, Lord, only because of
You. That which is against us, Lord, we know that there's nothing
against us can prevail. Because, we have an absolutely come into the
love of God. Absolutely, as the prophet said, "Love and mercy is here."
And we know that love and mercy is here, because, love was that 'Eighth'
which descended. God Himself. And there's nothing is going to separate
us from that, there's no way possible. None, none whatever.

	We know the price has been paid. We know the work of the Great High
Priest. We know the full power of Almighty God, the entire ability,
Lord, both in Your omniscience and Your omnipotence as come into play,
or whatever was required of It. And if there's anything left over for
Ages to come and all, we're certainly satisfied with that. But, we do
believe, Lord, that salvation is of Thee, period.

	And we thank You, my Lord, that we see more and more of this great
revealing; this great showing forth, that it is of You, and we praise
You for it. We thank You for the Blood. We thank You for everything that
You have done for us, and what You are now doing. And, Father, we stay
humble before You knowing that many people can misread us, and think
we're trying to pull something off, Lord, or people here are trying to
be brought together to think, well hey, we got something that nobody
else's got. Lord, we don't believe that for one solitary moment. Lord,
we know and they know that all we're saying is that we are aware because
of You what is going on. And we believe, Lord, that the others are also
aware and know what is going on.

	And, Lord, it may be that some might have to know a little more than
others at a certain period, and a certain direction. But, we know that
absolutely we are all heir to the same grace, to the same revelation,
Lord. And as the prophet said, when they have that mind they know who
they are, they’ve got their placing, they'll be taken away. And, Lord,
we know that that this is what we're looking at, and we're hungry for
it, O God, that's all we want, Lord.

	With it, Father, we also know that the closer we get to You and see You
and realize Your wondrous Presence amongst us. We know that we ourselves
fade more and more into the distance, more and more away. And that does
not bother us at all, that makes us feel real good, so that we know
that…again we know more than ever that there's nothing in our hands,
we bring simply to the Cross we cling. And say, Lord, if you don't do
it, there's nothing going to be done.

	And, Father, we're just so anxious now that any manifested grace that
could be manifested in our lives would come forth. We want that, Father,
we certainly do. If we can give You any glory in any way, we don’t
want to just hang on to one limb and say well, this is it. No way, shape
or form we would have in our lives, Lord, whatsoever is revealed in that
Word that we should be partakers of, and then into manifestation, Lord,
that's exactly where we stand. And if You want gifts in the Spirit under
control in a room with discernment and all these things, Father, we
would just tell You right now, we would be ever so happy to have
something like that.

	 If there would be a more consecrated walk, and we know that…is what
You have already told in Your Word. We want more of that. There is
nothing, Lord, that we don't want more of that spells out Christ in us
the hope of glory. We're just absolutely one with that, Lord. And we
hope, Lord, the people would understand that, and know that. And if they
don't understand and know it, Lord, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Lord, that our
lives are blowing an uncertain sound, and that would certainly repent of
it, O God, and want something different, Lord. Here we are, and we cast
ourselves upon You for grace and mercy.

	Give us help, Lord, may our minds be renewed, our spirits and souls
energized, O God, our bodies also blessed to the point where health is
better than ever. Perhaps we can get that as knowing, Lord, that if it
isn't, many times we're asking things that will get held back from us.
We know one thing, Lord, that just around the corner is that
Resurrection. And then everything is going to be really changed. And oh,
that's going to be great, because, we think so many things now are good,
and just it all is perversion, it’s at least watered down.  But, now
as our bodies shape up, to the change by Your Own power. Oh, what a day
that's going to be, Lord. And we know that it hasn't entered our minds,
hearts, because we're just not capable. But, Father, we're willing. We
are willing, Lord, in this day and this hour, we want it.

	Now, unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be
all power and honor and glory in Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

	'The Lord richly bless you'.

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