Questions & Answers # 2

Bro. Lee Vayle

September 29, 1991

	Shall we pray. Heavenly Father, You that appeared to Paul in a Pillar
of Fire, and talked to him, then revealed Yourself more fully.  And
also, Your Word to him, we realize You're here again in this hour, the
same One that brought it, revealing it.  And we would recognize and
honor Your Presence and somehow become more still and confirmed within
our heart concerning Your reality, your relationship to us.  Beholding
You, and glorifying You, Lord, even as You have come to be glorified in
us.  And we know that that is true.  Same One bringing judgment upon the
world, bringing glorification to His own people.  And we appreciate that
to see that You are here in the perfect reality of Your Word, having
fulfilled it in the measure of this hour and will further fulfill it.  

	Help us to come to the place, Lord, where You have set forth in the
last age that You have one message and that is repentance, a change of
mind, that we might understand Truth, Lord.  Help us that wherever we're
wrong that we might be corrected.  That we might have a true repentance,
a true change of mind, a true knowledge of God, which we are supposed to
have at the end time.  Which will, then, bring us right into the
resurrection, glorification and Rapture, Wedding Supper, and then back
down again as we saw in Revelation 19, coming upon the white horse in
power and authority, ruling with a rod of iron and all that which is
contingent, even as the prophet said.  

	So we honor Thee, Lord, somehow we trust we do at least, and then ask
you then again, Lord, that You help us at this moment.  Not that we
would be better people for the sake of being better people, but we might
be those living epistles read and known that we've been written by You. 
In Jesus Name we pray.  Amen. You may be seated.

	Now, last night we were going into some answers, hopefully, concerning
a brother in Europe who is a very able student.  And I believe a real
fine Christian brother that's part of the end time message, a part of
the Bride of the Lord Jesus Christ.  And you could see by his questions
that they have the same problems in Europe as they have over here. 
Which has to do a lot with the ministry.  And you know that Paul says
much about the ministry, and Peter and Jude.  In fact, there is much
written about the ministry, even more about the false anointed (that's
they're anointed but they're false to the Word) than there actually is
about the true minister.  

	And if you understand Ephesians the 4th chapter, as Paul sets it forth,
there is a very, very definite connection with the person of Jesus
Christ in the form of the Holy Spirit and a five-fold ministry than what
most people would want to admit.  On the other hand, you will find that
those who are not correctly anointed to the Word, and they are of those
of whom Paul speaks in the 11th chapter of 2 Corinthians,  

	(13)	That they're false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves 			into the apostles of Christ.  

	(14)	And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light.

	(15)	Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be
transformed as the 			ministers of righteousness; 

	And of course, since you realize that Abel was righteous and his deeds
were righteous, that is, his worship of God was righteous because of a
true revelation.  And Cain did not have a true revelation.  And
remember, neither one of these were actual ministers, although they type
it, they were just, both of them, worshippers.  One, of whom had a true
revelation of God.  And the other one, which was Cain, did not.  Now you
will notice that Cain immediately attempted to put Abel in bondage to
him.  Usurping authority over him to the extent that he killed him
physically.  

	Now Bro. Branham in teaching on the Seals, showed that the Roman
Catholic church which was the worst offender in the age they were
organized:  And they were buying the souls of men and bringing spiritual
death, which is a million times worst than physical.  For the Bible
says, "Don't fear him who can kill you, destroying the body; but fear
him whom has power to destroy both body and soul in hell."  

	So what we are looking at here is that the two vines with their two
ministries are completely set forth in the Word of God.  And there is no
problem in identifying the ministries which are of God, because the
five-fold ministry that is truly identified with the Holy Spirit does
not make any claims.  It realizes that from the apostle to the five-fold
ministry prophet, to the evangelist, the teacher, and pastor, that they
have their calls which are not proven manifestly to the people as though
some angelic visitation appeared to the people at the time these
five-fold felt they were given the call of God.  

	But as it says, in this the children of God are manifest, and the
children of Satan; that one does righteously, and the other doesn't do
righteously.  And we saw that, as I've already said, in Cain and Abel,
that Cain? had the true revelation and therefore he correctly worshipped
God.  Cain had an excellent sacrifice, Abel's was more excellent.  And
Cain was standing upon his authority which he felt he had.  And of
course, he had it all right, there's no two ways about it.  God allowed
it.  Actually, it's written in a book concerning who they are in the
ordination.  They're ordained to what's written about what they'd be. 
Started right there back in the--just outside the garden of Eden.  

	And as I say, you can simply tell the difference in this late hour. 
You don't need to worry about the preacher that's had several wives and
says, "Well hey, I'm ordained."  Say, "Fine, bless God, go ahead." 
Don't argue, don't fuss, just stand back and watch it.  That's all you
can do.  

	When God made earth and the heavens in perfection, put man upon the
earth, then built him an Eden, which was God's headquarters upon earth,
and then made the woman from the rib, put her in there, too, what did He
do?  He just gave them the Word, then He withdrew Himself and stood back
and watched.  And what happened?  Satan came in and who was deceived? 
The woman.  Because she was not in the original creation.  She did not
have the same revelation that Adam had.  Now Adam fell, though he wasn't
deceived.  He deliberately played Christ.  He took his position beside
her.  

	And many of these things we don't understand, and we never will
understand, perhaps, unless God chooses to reveal them to us down the
road when He reveals more of Himself personally.  Which comes through in
the evolvement and evolution where God, being what He is, He must have
certain things laid out in order to completely reveal and manifest
Himself wherein He would receive glory and honor.  

	But what I'm looking at here is trying to show you, and these people
who get these tapes, whoever they are, especially this brother, that
Bro. Branham already warned us, as we are going uphill, and we are going
through this life, it is not in our favor to try to knock all the snakes
on the head that pop up and pop at us, but to just ignore them and go
on.  And I would say to him, that I say to this church here, keep your
nose clean and your church clean.  You don't have to have these men in
your pulpit.  How many people anymore do we have in our pulpit?  A lot
of people may want to get in this pulpit.  I'm going to tell you flat,
they're not going to get in as far as I'm concerned.  

	You say, "What about Bro. Branham?"  Bro. Branham was far more gracious
than I am.  He had people in his pulpit he read like a book and knew
they were as phony as a three dollar bill and song leaders who were in
adultery.  And he just let 'em go ahead.  What was his solution to the
whole problem?  His vindication should have made people realize, no
matter who was in that pulpit, and no matter who was in anybody else's
pulpit, and no matter what anybody else did or ever said, he was the one
person with the light that you looked to.  And all he could do was to
just preach the Word and stand back and see what happens.  

	Now that's exactly the Bible.  A sower went forth to sow.  Shoom,
shoom, shoom, shoom.  And some fell upon the concrete, some fell into
stone, some fell into poor ground, some fell into good ground.  And only
what went into good ground came up.  You know?  So, their problem in
Europe is the same as ours.  And it isn't any problem.  Just go on with
the Word.  The Word will correct the error.  Every single time.  

	So my advice to the brother is, don't worry about these fellows.  If
you have any doubts, Bro. Branham said, "Don't move."  In other words,
you would wonder about a deacon in the church, you wonder about an
elder, then let it sit there.  Don't do anything about it.  In other
words, make sure the office doesn't devolve upon that man.  So that's
what we were looking at last night.  

	Now, he goes on and he asks the question.  If a Christian wants to
marry an unbeliever, you said I don't think that a pastor should marry
them.  Is God going to bless something that is contrary to His Word? 
And the Bible does tell you, "Be not unequally yoked."  There's no two
ways about it.  Which pastor could marry them, whereas God can't do it? 
Marriage means union between two similar things.  There is no marriage
between a believer and an unbeliever.  Nature shows this otherwise. 
This is hybridization.  Bro. Branham said you must know that if a couple
is married in contradiction with what is authorized by the Word of God,
the marriage is not legal.  That's right.  He also said, "What--what
person could believe that God has joined a couple together were married
by some drunken magistrate?  

	Now the only trouble with a statement of this sort is that all the
other things that Bro. Branham said are not laid beside it, so that you
get the closest, the best picture you possibly can.  Now, I do not know
that Bro. Branham ever married an unbeliever to a believer.  I do know
that he married unsaved to unsaved, but he sat with them and talked with
them.  Now, at this point, I do not know if Bro. Branham married anybody
in his ministry at the tabernacle, especially in the latter years,
wherein Bro. Branham knowing positively people's hearts, and knowing the
Deity people were entirely wrong because they made him God, and
therefore, they were idolaters, I can't say that this statement was all
the way true in his complete ministry, that he refused to marry a
believer to an unbeliever.  Though I do know that he never would marry a
person who was married and divorced; no matter what they said or did, he
would never do that.  Once you're married, divorced, he would not ever
marry that person.  And I appreciate the fact even after Marriage and
Divorce, the sermon, the opening of the Seals, he never deviated from
that.  

	Now I know that the ideal here is absolutely that only believers should
marry believers.  Now if they were married previously and one comes to
the message and one doesn't, they are to remain together as long as they
are agreeable to remain together.  That, of course, is in Bro. Branham's
teaching, and it's in the 7th chapter of 1 Corinthians.  I'm interested
in trying to find out if this isn't a little bit like the Christmas tree
that Bro. Branham absolutely came against, yet he had one himself, on
the grounds that it was thoroughly explained that the Christmas tree
meant nothing, it was merely a decoration.  It was something pretty, and
it's okay to have nice things, but you better be sure that you're truly
worshipping God.  

	And the reason I say that is because in Bro. Branham's church, as well
as in Tucson, it's like Heinz pickle factory, fifty-seven varieties. 
And I don't know that how you could actually work this out a hundred
percent, even by talking to the two people.  Because what if those two
people were brought up in this faith, and they all ever knew is what we
teach here, and they could answer me letter perfect, I don't know what's
in their hearts.  But I would say ideally, Scripturally, this is a
hundred percent right that they should not be unequally yoked.  And if
there's any reason that you, any minister would believe that this would
be an unequal yoking, then it shouldn't be done.  I agree to that
extent.  It should not be done.  Believers should only marry believers,
because the first step down is when you are yoked to somebody who is not
a true believer.  And I'm...  

	We see that in so many cases where women will marry a man who protests
that he really is a believer just to get the woman.  And he only wants
her for one thing, that's for sex.  And as soon as he gets her, he
conveniently turns his back on religion, on God, and the next thing she
follows him with pants and short hair and everything else.  I don't know
how the preacher's going to know, because he's not a prophet.  But I
say, the ideal thing is this, and they're not truly joined together
because of that condition.  I don't have an absolute answer on this to
tell any man.  Because I positively am not a prophet.  I know that this
is the Truth.  How you can put it into effect, I don't know.  

	I know pastors, I know them as parents.  And I know that a lot of
pastors as a parent are absolutely dishonest.  I remember a case there's
down there in Florida, they're very legal minded people, Pentecostal,
and they did not believe in marriage and divorce.  So the pastor's
wife's sister... and she was a lovely person.  I mean a lovely person. 
But evidently, the brains of a goose, or a chicken.  She marries 'Fair
Swineheart', instead of 'Fair Sheepheart'.  And he turns out to be a dog
which he always was; he divorces her.  He runs off with some filthy slop
bucket and leaves this fine woman.  Now, a young man comes along and
sees the value of this woman that the other pig didn't see.  Or the pig
didn't see, period.  Now she wants to marry him.  So what does the
pastor's wife say now?  She said, "Well, I think we got to change our
doctrine."  So pastors would think this and that about their kids, might
not be true.  Well, my child brought up, and I know that this child and
marrying this one here is, you know...  

	Now this is a tough one.  I don't know.  I can't answer the man.  Hey,
if they say it, "we believe," what are you going to do?  Confession is
supposed to be the answer.  Thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord
Jesus, and believe in your heart.  But how do you know they believe in
their heart?  That's a tough one.  It's a tough one.  I don't know how
you're going to know for certain anything.  The best you can do is
question, if they say, "Well, I believe; I don't believe..."  Or you
know that people--most pastors know the people well enough to--to know
which are believers only in their mouths.  You know, if they marry a
unsaved person, no problem, because you know they're both unsaved.  You
have to admonish them both, and say, "Hey, you better start looking to
God." 

	Okay, I don't exactly know what happened concerning Billy Paul.  That's
right, I don't think that anybody does.  Except his father and mother
and so on.  Do you know the reason why Bro. Branham annulled his son's
marriage?  Was the young girl not a Christian?  In this--this case, of
course, he vows--in this--in this--in his case, of course, the vows were
not valid according to the Word.  Or was Billy Paul too young?  Bro.
Branham said we annulled the marriage, but anyway he was married.  

	Now I've got a little bit of news on this one.  I can tell you a little
bit about it.  The reason the marriage was annulled was because the
girl's father demanded it.  Billy Paul was too young.  I am told, but I
do not know that the authority was a hundred percent, that there were
those who signed as though they were the parents, or the guardians or
whatever of these two young people.  And so, therefore, when the father
of the girl raised a--a real storm over the situation, there was nothing
that Billy--Bro. Branham could do but separate them.  

	Now, the question comes up, exactly, what about Billy Paul?  When we
were discussing this very thing I mentioned last night where Bro.
Branham brought to me the understanding that the Word in Timothy,
concerning one wife, referred to polygamy; did not refer to anything
else but that.  Knowing that Bro. Branham had mentioned Billy Paul and
Bro. Roy Roberson, when he came back from... I think Sabino Canyon
(where the cloud of fire was noticed going up and down by many, many
people; even school children were brought out to see it, that year that
time in Arizona) I said, "Bro. Branham, let's talk about Billy Paul." 
And I said, "No, let's not talk about Billy Paul, because I do not
believe that Billy Paul comes under what you or I are discussing."  

	And he looked at me.  And I said, "Remember Bro. Branham, that neither
of those children that you said were married, divorced each other.  They
were forced to part by you and the girl's father."  

	So I said, "You can't say they were divorced."  He looked at me
startled.  And if you knew him as I did, you knew where he was going
inside for answers.  And he said, "You know, Lee, I believe you're
right, or why did God even show me visions concerning those children
which were to come?"  

	So, for this brother's information, and others, you've got to be pretty
careful when you start looking at these things that have to do with
people and marriage.  Of putting them asunder, or denying their wedlock,
or taking any authority.  You had better be a prophet, not just a
pastor.  And keep your hands off and try to do everything for the
up-building for the prevention of further damage.  Because you can begin
to make certain pronouncements and decisions and preach in such a way as
to uproot.  And if you uproot, you're in very great danger.  

	It says that Billy Paul was married, wasn't he placed in a state of
adultery when the marriage was annulled?  According to Bro. Branham's
original thinking this would be true.  You say then, "Bro. Vayle, do you
think you, instead of God, altered his thinking?"  How could I alter his
thinking when the facts are there before you?  Going to get a marriage
annulled, like Frank Sinatra and these guys, who pay the pope enough
money, is not what happened here.  

	What happened when Michal, Saul's daughter was given to David, then
taken back?  When David got authority, he plumb went and got her. 
Although she turned out a bit of a problem when she couldn't understand
David dancing before the ark in bandment--in true abandonment to God. 
Where he danced so hard that some of his clothes got flung off and I
guess he was sort of dancing around in his nightshirt.  He was well
covered.  What's the difference?  Michal thought that was a little bit
too undignified for the king.  Well, he said, I'll undignify you who
ain't queen anymore either.  That was a prophet getting pretty tough.  

	There's a lot of things that need answering in this marriage and
divorce thing.  I haven't got the answer.  I leave it up to the people
and God.  I say, "You got to find out because I can't tell you."  I
cannot tell anybody here to marry or not marry.  I can only say this
what's in the Bible Bro. Branham taught, don't be unequally yoked.  If
you're a believer, you really believe, you better--and you marry in this
message, as I've said before, there's no way you can divorce and marry
somebody else.  And there is no way you'd ever be allowed in this church
to worship.  I'm sorry.  You'd have to be--until we'd have to test you
out, and turn you over to Satan or something else to find out what's
going on, there is no way.  I'm not a prophet, so please do not put me
on the spot.   

	Is it possible for a Christian to have several wives living in--with
him in his house under the old covenant?  The answer is no.  Because
Bro. Branham said in two places, one of which is Seventieth Week of
Daniel.  "We know that polygamy is a thousand times better than
Hollywood marriage and divorce, but it is wrong."  

	Okay, Mt 18:15 says if thy brother sin, what does this verse--what does
this--the--the word in this verse "sin" mean?  As Bro. Branham
specified, it isn't a question of immorality, for instance, of a brother
trying to seduce a married woman.  If the word "sin" here--if the word
"sin" means here immorality, are these passages of Scripture to prove
this? 

	 In "Why We're Not a Denomination", Bro. Branham speaks of us--a father
who had a son; he has gone and married a Catholic young girl.  Bro.
Branham says that they used the process of Mt 18:15.  But is it a sin of
immorality when a young man marries a Catholic young girl?  Did this
young man not do anything else so that his father spoke of
excommunication?  Speaking of this father, Bro. Branham said this is
really a pastor.  This is really a man, don't you think so?  He said it
hurt himself to speak like that to his son, but he said, who are you
going to hurt, the man or your Saviour?  And then he said they went
further, because he didn't want to obey.  So thirdly, he said this to
the church, if he doesn't set this in order with the church, we will
deliver Wesley, my son, to the devil for destruction of flesh.  The
blood of Jesus Christ will not protect him any longer in the church.

	Now my understanding as I look at that word "sin" positively just
simply means sin, which is unbelief as Bro. Branham categorized.  And he
said adultery, and smoking, and killing, and all of these things, were
simply attributes of unbelief.  Because if you really had a revelation,
you could not do these things.  Now, it doesn't mean that you can't be
carried away at times because you are in a real hotbox, and you're sort
of reacting according to anger in those things which naturally will come
in people's lives.  And the Bible has mentioned even killing in the heat
of passion.  And it's a whole lot different from premeditated murder.  

	You'll see that in your courts of law today.  A person, maybe
in--coming into your house to burglarize your house, and he has a gun,
or he's--or he attacks with a knife and you've got a sawed-off shotgun
or something, and you sort of blow him away.  There's nobody in his
right mind could possibly convict you.  There's nobody could possibly
convict you.  The man's trying to kill you.  What are you supposed to
stand back and say, "Well, hey, be my guest?"  You better read your Old
Testament and find out Jehovah of the Old is Jesus of the New.  There is
a--no such thing as they--some of these things people try to tell you. 
But as far as this--these two things are concerned, especially.  

	What does it mean if you--if you--if you--if somebody has a fault
against you or--or there's a problem, there's a--there's a sin?  Well,
actually everybody is obligated to resolve their problems at the point
where the thing was done.  Because this is where you get the
understanding from the Scripture, that things pile up and pile up.  As
the Bible said, "Agree with thine adversary while thou are in the way
with him, lest he said he deliver you to the judge and the judge deliver
you to the prison keeper, and you stay in there till you pay the
uttermost farthing."  

	Now the point right there is very peculiar because the fellow is the
one that damaged you, but if you don't make peace, you're the one that
gets thrown in prison.  What's he trying to tell you?  The psychological
law that God has laid down in His Word, that psychologists know, that
hatred destroys you.  It doesn't destroy the guy that you hate. 
Bitterness doesn't destroy the guy that--that--that you're bitter
against.  It--it destroys you.  And in turn it brings a spirit in the
church which you'll be responsible for.  

	And you say, "Well listen, I didn't do it."  Yes you did it.  Are you
going to argue with me?  Now this is pastoral teaching.  And this is
doctrine.  But I'm going to tell you the truth; I have given you the
truth.  I know this backward and forward.  And I know what it can do to
a person.  

	I know what it did to me years ago.  When a certain pastor, that big
shot, big Pentecostal wheeler-dealer pulled a deal on me.  I knew I was
called of God to go to a certain church.  When God begin to bless, he
said, "Well, son," he said, "You step aside."  And this guy's got a big
family and he needs a church.  And the church didn't want him, they
wanted me.  And they couldn't support him anyway, but he was going to
railroad things.  "Well," I said, "I can't do it."  I said, "If God
called me to this, how--how in the world can I not do it?"  And he
didn't call the other guy.  And he--and he said, "Well son, in--in
preaching now watch him use Scripture."  He said, "In a multitude there
lacketh not wisdom.  I looked for the multitude."  

	Well, that guy is phony as a three dollar bill.  He's a heathen
hypocrite.  And if I see him in heaven, I know I'm in the wrong place. 
Or he is, one of the two.  You say, "Just a minute, Bro. Vayle, you're
judging."  Don't you tell me I'm judging.  I'm giving you the Scripture
we live by.  If we don't discern in this hour, which is by the Word of
God, when are you ever going to discern?  Let's get this flat.  No chaff
is wheat.  And you show me where the Rapture is for him?  

	So, this is a preventive measure in the church.  And if he doesn't
listen, you take a witness.  And if he doesn't listen, you take the
deacons and the elders.  You say, "What about the pastor?"  Forget the
pastor.  Never told you to go to the pastor.  When he doesn't listen,
then, it's given to the pastor.  And the pastor then has to take him
before the church.  And this is what happens.  

	And in this case it was a young man who would not listen because he was
not to marry that woman.  He was claiming to be born again.  And yet he
was going to marry a woman who believed that the pope was a vicar of
Christ and could forgive sins and would go to a priest.  Well, either
that kid didn't have anything, or if he had something, he was blowing
it.  Now, the question is, if this young fellow did not have anything,
what would happen?  Nothing.  Nothing.  But Bro. Branham said the devil
would eventually get him down the road.  And the pastor did the right
thing.  

	But this is not just concerning immorality, as though immorality had to
do with marrying the wrong person living in sexual sins and things.  An
immoral person is the person who tell lies.  An immoral person is a
person who steals.  An immoral person is a person who would do a dirty
trick on you.  Or this or that.  So this is what you're looking at here.
 And I myself cannot see anything to change what I am looking at.  

	But now remember, if a brother sins, you go to him with one thing in
mind, not to condemn, but to restore.  

	I remember years ago, I was in a certain church, and I got inveigled
into listening to people who gave me the... really there was a truth
about a certain person.  When I woke up to how I was being manipulated,
it was too late.  So the next time I was in a certain church, no longer
Pentecostal, but Baptist, I was given the same test and the same
opportunity to fall for the devil's lie.  And so now the people came and
they began trying to get me all riled up against this other person.  So
I got in the pulpit and I said, "Listen, I want to tell you people
something this morning.  You are trying to get me to deal with the
person that you dislike.  And there isn't one of you wants to help her
and restore her, you want me to use a hatchet on her."  So I said, "Do
your own dirty work."  Once bitten twice shy.  

	Another time a guy came and he--he said, "Now so and so, and so and so,
and his wife said so and so, and so and so."  I said, "Hey, you two
kids, get this flat, you want me to get mad at this person because
you're mad at that person.  I'm not mad at that person.  We get along
fine."  So that's how--that's how I view this.  

	Yeah, if you're really a pastor, you will look out for the sheep.  And
remember, they always tell the story about the poor little sheep that
just couldn't be trained anything, so the shepherd could never talk him
to do anything.  So one day the shepherd took the little sheep and broke
his bone.  He broke his leg bone.  And they said, "Just a minute, isn't
that a terrible, terrible thing?"  Oh no, he said, "This the only way to
train this one."  And the poor little sheep had to limp along with the
shepherd for so long, he got to loving the shepherd so much, the guy
couldn't even get rid of him.  He's a nuisance.  Had to carry and baby
him, see?  Well, let's forget that part of it, carry and baby him, it's
all right.  Anybody, you know what I'm talking about here.  

	Okay, the destruction, of course, would be for the flesh and the flesh
many times gets destroyed.  And in us, even without that process, God's
always trying to get the flesh to fade away and the spirit come forth. 
And sometimes drastic measures must be taken.

What can we think of--of what Bro. Branham said, the greatest of all--of
all the revelations is the Deity?  Well, he said that.  He said the end
time message positively was the revelation of God, the oneness--actually
the oneness of the Godhead.  There is one God.  And water baptism in the
name of the Lord Jesus Christ.  After the Seals, he brought that out
factually.

	All right.  He said here:  The greatest of all revelation is the Deity,
supreme Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ.  You can't get to first base
until you believe that, and walk out.  That's what Peter said, "Repent
and then see the Deity, be baptized in the name of--of Jesus Christ,
(Bro. Branham liked "Lord Jesus Christ") for the remission of your sins
and then you are ready to go in the spirit, the revelation of Jesus
Christ.  It seems that water baptism comes in third position, a
repentance, that after having seen the Deity of Jesus Christ.  

	That's true, look, you've got to see something.  You've got to see
something.  If you didn't see something, you would never be baptized. 
Because baptism to repentance means that you've had a change of mind. 
Something has come to you which was not there before.  And the very
acknowledgment, then, of Christ as supreme Deity would simply mean also,
supreme Saviour; that God absolutely is the only hope, the only Saviour.
 And pinning your faith on that, on God, without the definitive
revelation of everything that you'll know down the road.  See?  

	In other words, this is the correct step, and from it will come all
other revelation.  See?  As Jesus said, "I'm going to build my church
upon it."  And Bro. Branham said the church is built up through seven
ages the same as the individuals are.  And you start with faith which is
the definitive revelation.  And to that, then, you begin to add virtue
and knowledge, and so on; you're coming up.  

	So it is absolutely true that you are admitting to a revelation, a
personal revelation to you and with you, concerning Almighty God.  That,
then, will go to water baptism.  And from the water baptism you go to
the baptism with the Holy Ghost where then you become privy to
everything that God wants to reveal to you in your particular hour and
your particular position.  Because let's face it, God's not going to
reveal even in a five-fold ministry everything he reveals to another
one.  It's all part of an unfolding revelation, although there's basics,
but there'll be that which comes on.  

	Now, this is the reason why we must be correctly baptized.  Bro.
Branham categorically said, "If you've been baptized wrong, now, he said
you must be baptized right in the right way, is--is in the name of the
Lord Jesus Christ.  And so at the end time we are understanding here
according to Ephesians that there is a definitive revelation concerning
God Himself that you positively must have in order to be in the
resurrection and the Rapture.  And we read it hundreds of times; Eph
1:17.  

	Now, he--he brings a statement, a question here, or thought concerning
Bro. Coleman.  Which, I must admit, I don't particularly appreciate,
because this is something that he must have got from tapes of Bro.
Coleman sends him or somebody else.  And I am not liable to answer
anything for Bro. Coleman or any other preacher.  I just have to answer
for myself.  But he--he mentions this, we'll go into it anyway, just as
a passing glance.  

	And he said, I--he said, Bro. Coleman said that Michael is Jesus.  I've
studied this in the Bible, in the message, and I don't think so.  In
Daniel chapter 10 and verse 5 and 6 are about a man clothed in linen.  I
think this is Jesus with the same description as Jesus, Deity, as in Rev
1:12-16.  That could be right, but if Bro. Branham hasn't said it, he's
merely speculating.  And I would be, too.  But as for the verses 13 and
14 of Daniel 10, they concern Michael.  These are two different beings. 
Jesus is not Michael.  In Gen 18:19 we've got God in a theophany coming
to Abraham with two angels.  Bro. Branham called them Michael and
Gabriel.  If Michael was Jesus there would be two Deities, one of them
staying with Abraham concerning--discerning Sarah's thoughts, and the
other one going down in Sodom.  Bro. Branham said, as well as the Bible,
that two angels went down to Sodom, and that Elohim stayed with Abraham.
 Elohim is not an angel, but God.  And you can--there--there is a... 
Well, just leave that.  Terminology is very funny at times.  Difficult. 
And Michael is an angel in the service of God.  On the other hand, the
angel Jehovah, now he's getting to it, is a special title for God, and
Michael is not the angel of Jehovah.  Bro. Branham compares the two
angels to Billy Graham and Oral Roberts.  This is really not the same as
Jesus, it's different.  What do you think of this?

	Well, I think where he's missing the point, he didn't realize that Bro.
Branham was talking way back in the ages.  Way, way back, actually,
Jesus was Michael.  And that would have to do then, with the worship of
God in a--in an age which perhaps, well, would be way before Adam.  Now
I understand that this is also a--a Seven Day Adventist doctrine.  Now,
what are we looking at?  We're looking simply at the fact, that when God
went down to see Abraham with the two messengers which are typed in
Roberts and--and Graham at this particular time, they're down in Sodom. 
Abraham stayed--God stayed behind with Abraham.  

	Now Bro. Branham says concerning that body, that God simply took a
handful of dust and whew, blew upon it, and here was a man, that is, a
body for a man.  And God stepped into the body and when he was through
with the body, he just evidently stepped out of it, and the body went to
dust.  So what are we looking at?  We are looking at roles and figures. 
And there is no doubt in my mind, I say no doubt because this is the
best I know, that when Bro. Branham said that Jesus was Michael at one
time, it simply meant that as--as Jesus, the Son of God, came down in a
human body, he was in that body, Michael's, which he simply stepped out
of.  I don't see any problem.  

	Because it's the same thing as we see today.  There is a man that's
sitting on the throne of his father in the form of flesh.  And I--and
Bro. Branham said, he said that Jesus that did all the miracles and
wonders, turned back to a Pillar of Fire.  So that there is a distinct
possibility, even as God is in the prophets, he went into Moses, came
out, he went into, to--to no doubt, Isaiah, and stepped out.  He went
into apostle Paul, the Pillar of Fire, into him; stepping out.  He went
into Bro. Branham, who said, I feel the Pillar of Fire standing up
inside of me; stepped out.  Then why could he not step into Michael and
step out?  

	So I don't see any problem here.  I think it's a matter of maybe Bro.
Coleman is trying to bring this to a point where he has no right to
bring it.  And this brother has not understood that Bro. Branham made
that concerning Michael, way back in the dimness of time.  Which, I've
never put any--any time of study on because I'm--I'm not too interested
in that.  I'm more interested in exactly what is the Word for this hour
pertaining to us.  

	Now he says here, concerning predestination, making some remarks, that
the prodigal son came back to his father.  It is because he was a part
of his father right from the start.  In the same way, if the eaglet
could hear or recognize the cry of it's--of it's mother, the eagle, it's
because it has always been an eagle--eagle life.  My sheep hear my
voice, said Jesus, and we have always been sheep, even before we heard
the voice or shout of the shepherd's message through the angel of Rev
10:7.  

	So we have always been sons of God, but not yet positioned, until we
heard His Word, resound in ourselves, and wakened--are--are real inner
nature of faith which is of Jesus of the Holy Spirit.  Bro. Branham said
you were not saved on such and such a day, you've always been saved. 
Jesus only came to redeem that--but which was to redeem that, but you
were saved right from the beginning because you had eternal life from
the start.  That's exactly right, quoting from "The Future Home." 
Therefore the elect was already eternal, but sex brought him in a
temporal period of time, and in all that goes with it.  

	That's right.  Bro. Branham said that's where he would--he would sin. 
He brought him in that particular position where--where he sinned, and
they--he would require salvation, and so on.  

	He permitted procreated body of flesh in the temporal sinner, but the
seed, faith and part of the spirit in his heart is eternal.  His seed
had no beginning, and must come back to God.  The Word from which it
directly came in the flesh for a temporal period of time, it must come
back into eternity through Jesus' expiation for the sins that are
committed by the flesh.  

	You know, this man has a tremendous grasp of the English.  He may be in
Europe, born there.  The elect person has sinned as for the flesh, but
he has never sinned as for the soul.  He's quoting from 1 John there,
3rd chapter.   ...faith, seed of God because the attribute or thought of
God cannot sin.  That's exactly true, how could it?  Has to be--has to
be perfect harmony with the--with the--with the one that has it.  Let's
face it, we never saw a cat think like a dog.  How in the world--how
could you--how--see, even in nature...  He's right on target here,
there's no two ways about it.  

	And--and those who will go into the lake of fire are--are those whose
soul is not of God.  But see, he cannot destroy himself and remain God. 
Thus, if the--if this soul is of the world, it must be destroyed.  But
if it's eternal with God, it can never be destroyed because it had no
beginning, being a part of God.  Amen.  Again he's quoting.  Now those
who are lost will only return where they have always been...  I think,
of course, he's talking to source.  They were not in the thought of God,
they were not attributes of God, and in their heart there is no
representation from above.  As for the elect, they return to God where
they were before they came into this procreated physical body for this
period of time.  They were already sons.  Quoting from Galatians... he's
got... that's right.  

	Therefore, a multitude of people will be lost, whatever they do because
they're not attributes of God.  So we could say--say that the free
choice of salvation to return to God, only concerns the elect.  What was
the free choice of Cain or--or Judas?  They could only choose the--the
direction they were coming from, the abyss, their souls--their souls are
not of God, there is nothing in their hearts to freely choose God.  The
tares are--can only choose what is of the tares.  

	If you have already been (I think he's quoting here again) now have
already been or if you will walk in the heaven, or if you will be once
in the heaven, it is because you were there from the beginning.  You
were His thought.  You were His thought, then you became his Word.  A
word is a thought which is expressed.  Then you are manifest.  And to
redeem means to bring back where we were right from the beginning.  Thus
when God says that He is not willing that any wicked should perish, but
that all should come to repentance, we can--we can see whom this Word
concerns.

	See, we have a--we--our--our thinking here from Bro. Branham and the
Word of God which has been completely revealed and vindicated to be
properly revealed, does not allow for reprobation.  See?  God--we are
not reprobates, we are sheep gone astray.  We are not children of
disobedience, we are disobedient children.  See, there's a big
difference then.  What he's saying is--is bringing out what Bro. Branham
teaches in contradiction--contradistinction, what is the theology of the
world.  And he's--he's right on target.  See?  

	There are people who have always been in the book of life of the Lamb
and others who have never been of--in it.  They were not attributes in
the thought of God.  Of course, we must preach as if the gospel was
intended for everyone, as for redemption as well as divine healing,
though we know that a multitude will not receive it.  They have only
been born of the flesh as with Esau.  So what is our soul--so what is
our soul, our heavenly body?  A part of Jesus, soul of his Spirit.  Bro.
Branham said, "What is the Bride?"  It's Christ, his Spirit manifested
in--in several persons.  The Word manifested in the form of sons of God.
 

	In order to be (and he names himself) I had to be that person in my
natural father.  He had, in other words, that blood line designated by
the name.  It's the same thing with our heavenly Father, as Bro. Branham
brought out in "Leadership."  

	Now before we came on the earth in a procreated body, in what form were
we?  Were we in form of thought, or were we in form of spirit? 
Sometimes it seems that Bro. Branham says that we were a thought in God
at the beginning, and that we came on earth directly from the thought to
the flesh, having bypassed the form of Word.  This is the reason why we
should--we should sin... in other words, we're capable of sin and do
sin, and have to come back to the second stage that was missed, which is
the word 'Logos' or Spirit.  The heavenly body--then the Word Logos
Spirit, and then the body of flesh.  This is a process through which
Jesus passed, but we didn't.  This is the reason why Jesus knew all
things.  He was the Word before He was made flesh.  As for us, we have
to be formed in the image of the Word of Logos.  We bypassed the
theophany, the Logos Word, and from the thought we directly became
flesh, meant to be tempted by sin.  

	So here Bro. Branham shows we were a thought, and we will never be the
Word, unless we were a thought at the beginning.  This proves God's
predestination in "Who is This Melchisedec?"  This is our book of life. 
But in some of the passages, it seems that Bro. Branham shows we were
existing with Jesus in God's image, so in the form of the Word at the
beginning we were in God's image, then the real darkness prevents us
from knowing that now--but the veil in darkness prevents us from knowing
that now.  Jesus said to His disciples that He was with them before the
foundation of the world.  This seems to go to Job 13:40-47, "Where were
you when all the sons of God shouted for joy, and the morning stars came
together," and so on.  You know the Scripture.  Are these sons of God a
part of whom rebelled against God?  Were we in form of the Pillar of
Fire?  In this case in the form of the Word, we should know everything
when we came on the earth.  But it seems that Adam had not the spirit
until he came on the earth.  Adam was not in God's image, but only in
the earth.  

	And he quotes Gen 1:26.  So, who are these sons of God of Gen 6:2 and
Job?  In "Questions and Answers" 1-354, Bro. Branham says that the sons
of God were supernatural beings created by God, and who came down from
heaven to the earth.  These--those spirits, those angels were intended
to become human beings, the prophet said.  These are the ones who act
now, as pious as they are, or as they can be, having only a form of
piety.  (I suppose I should pronounce the word piety, as in the
dictionary, but I don't like that.  Piety I like better.  I think people
would--wouldn't understand what I said if I said it right.  I wouldn't
understand it myself.)  They must be the stars cast out with Satan from
heaven on earth, Revelation 12, they know adoration but they are spirits
who rebelled against God. 

	 This began in the heart--the heavens and goes to the earth until the
judgment.  But as for the other stars, they're sons of God who've
ministered, who resisted, rather, Lucifer, are they the elect who came
in different periods of time to be the real sons of God?  So they were
already heavenly bodies in God's image, a Spirit Word Logos.  Bro.
Branham also calls 'em angels, all those angels who were cast out in the
earth were intended to become human beings.  The faithful angels led by
Michael against the real--rebel angels led by Lucifer--the rebel angel
led by Lucifer.  So they were not in the form of the thought, but they
were already in the form of the Word Logos Spirit.  What do you think of
all that?  

	Now, see, he's quoting from way back in areas of '57, perhaps '54,
further back, I don't know.  All I can say is that I have puzzled this
myself many times, because Bro. Branham does intimate that those angels,
those spirits, which are angels, which are literally messengers, (call
'em what you want) could well be that spirit that comes down at the time
that the soul has built its tabernacle, the child coming forth.  And
that spirit that is allowed of God but not of God, can take possession. 
To me it is an intimation rather than an absolute doctrine.  

	And let's go back to Genesis the 6th chapter.  Because this is the
important one.  Now, this Scripture that I--we read in Gen 6:2 is on
tape and, personally, I discussed this with Bro. Branham as we were
talking about certain things concerning idolatry and concerning serpent
seed.  And things like that.  You'll notice in Genesis 6:

	(1)	And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the
earth, 			the--and daughters were born unto them,

	(2)	That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair;
and 			they took them wives of all they chose.

	Now Bro. Branham says concerning this Scripture, "Took them wives of
all they chose."  And then going on, 

	(4)	There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that,
when the 			sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare
children to 			them, and the same became mighty men which were of old,
men of 			renown. 

	Now quoting the authorities, (I suppose it could have been Pemberton. 
I'm not sure who he's quoting) but quoting the so-called authorities
which are fundamental in their attitude, he said they are telling us
that these spirits, these angels that fell, pressed themselves into
human flesh.  Which meant positively, that they came into these human
vessels.  And as they did, these sons of God by creation, taking human
form, then cohabited with the human race and brought forth children.  He
said, absolutely impossible because the devil cannot create.  

	Now this is utterly impossible that anybody can read this apart from
what Bro. Branham categorically stated.  That these are not supernatural
beings, but these are the sons of God even as Adam was a son of God,
because the genealogy goes right back in chapter six, think it is, or is
it 5?  In 5 it says here concerning Adam, anyway it's down here you'll
find it, it's--it can't be 6, but it's right in here where Adam is
called the son of God.  Oh, it goes back to Luke, where he traces right
back the genealogy.  It's either in Luke or in, I think it's in Luke,
not-not Matthew.  Goes all the way back to where Adam is the son of God.
 So therefore, all of these that are true seed of Adam, because Eve came
out of Adam, would be sons of God but in a fallen state.  

	Now, so you see what you're looking at here is where these people
entered into and took women from the Cain line, which came from serpent
seed, is where you get your giants.  So--so we cannot think for a minute
that what he is saying here is the definitive revelation of this hour,
because Bro. Branham only received the complete definitive revelation on
the doctrine on the Word under the Seventh Seal.  That which came forth
in Seven Thunders, which were seven great mysteries which he himself did
not name.  

	And I would challenge anybody to name them, because you can't do it. 
For because you come right across the fact, that is, the mystery of
iniquity, does it embrace the serpent seed or does serpent seed embrace
the mystery of iniquity?  Because right in the book of Genesis you do
not find the mystery of iniquity, but you find serpent seed.  And you
find how it comes.  But you do have a mystery which is revealed at the
same time the seed of the woman will be bruised by the seed of the
serpent.  So now you got a mystery:  How can the woman have a seed when
she doesn't have seed?  Man's got seed.  So now then you got a mystery. 
You have the mystery of righteousness.  Can you then have the mystery of
righteousness apart from the mystery of iniquity?  No way.  You got
twins--always twins.  

	So I'm saying, who in the world can stand up and say, because Bro.
Branham himself did not say it:  What are those seven great mysteries? 
We don't know.  But we know they're there, and we don't need to know. 
They don't need to be categorized.  So, what I'm saying is this, to
answer the brother's question:  Simply stick a hundred percent with what
he's quoting from, not the past.  Because the past doesn't really matter
whether we were there in a substantial form doing that, as Bro. Branham
indicated.  But in Who is This Melchisedec?, he did not indicate, he
taught doctrine, period.  And in there we were in his thoughts, put in a
book, then manifested in our time.  

	And we certainly did bypass a theophonic form or a Spirit Word body,
call it what you want.  We did bypass it.  Only Jesus had it.  Then if
only Jesus had it, we were not in a form commensurate with Him even at
that way back date when all these sons of God, everything else sang, and
did the other thing.  No way, it couldn't have been.  Because there's no
way it could be commensurate.  This body which our soul, which is a gene
of God has a body commensurate for this time.  But it is not truly
commensurate with the glory that lies within God.  So therefore, this
body must have a resurrection and a change even without a resurrection. 


	So I can't answer the brother any more than he can answer for himself
as we taught it here, on Who is This Melchisedec?  It's all lined right
up there under the Seventh Seal.  And as I told you, when I heard Bro.
Branham preach it, I thought what in the world is he going into this
for?  Why in the world doesn't he teach us how to do algebra, you know,
calculus and the laws of the mathematics of physics?  Which I always
hated.  Was a tough one.  Parallel the grams of force.  How do you put a
piece of board measured like this and you put a rock here and a fulcrum
here, if this rock is one pound, what must you put here to balance this
rock over this thing?  Yai-yai-yai.  I could do it, but I hated it. 
Specific gravity.  Gene, you'd be great at that.  Forget it.  Take it
home with you, and drown it in your lake.  You had to do all that kind
of stuff.  Pooh!

	I wanted Bro. Branham to get us into that.  What's this Melchisedec
bit?  When we studied it, it was tremendous.  It was full of every good
thing under heaven.  And I would just say that anybody that needs
answers, that are the perfect answers that cannot be added to or taken
from are the definitive which falls under Ephesians 1:17 and 18.  See? 
Which is Rev 10:7, which is Acts 3.  What about verse 20? 21?  I forget,
look it up.  This is Melchisedec--Who is This Melchisedec? is your
answer.  

	What is the difference between the three following bodies:  The body of
Elohim coming to Abraham in the form of a man?  

	Well, I explained that.  That--it was just dust, He said--blew in it
and blew it out.  

	Like he said, jump in this, illustrates this when he says jump in this.
 Like Gabriel, God, in human form ate and drank.  Well, he did it
because it was a body.  Melchisedec's body, who ate bread and drank
wine.  Jesus' body.  Were these three bodies not of flesh?  Jesus' body
absolutely was, but it wasn't flesh like yours and mine because we have
an element of serpent seed.  The Bible distinctly says in the book of
Hebrews, he likewise took a part of the same; he didn't take it all. 
How could he?  How in the world could he have the blood requisite and
the life requisite in the blood if he had a body just like ours?  He
created the egg and the sperm to get the body.  The closest you could
say was, well, did he have a body exactly like Adam's?  I wouldn't even
say that.  I wouldn't even say that.  I don't know.  Because the body of
Adam was formed out of the dust.  It was not created, it was formed. 
The dust was there.  But the egg and the sperm being created could have
different elements in it entirely, and yet feed from the substance of
the earth--wherein Mary's body was a chemical factory.  And she
contributed nothing, except the chemical process.  Bro. Branham tells
you flat, contributed nothing but the chemical process.  

	Okay.  But those bodies, three bodies of flesh coming from the dust of
the ground, were they--were they destined to grow old, for the earth is
cursed?

	Well, see there again, you can't say Jesus' body came from the ground,
he was fed by the chemicals from the ground.  You got a difference.  

	On the other hand, our soul which is part of the Pillar of Fire...  (I
don't like that terminology.  I just sooner stick with the fact of it
was a part of Elohim as an attribute, whatever was there, because God
being by Himself in the very beginning, I don't believe there's a Pillar
of fire there.  The first thing Bro. Branham talks about is the light
coming out of him like a child playing around the father's door.  So I
wouldn't--I wouldn't agree with that.  I think the--I think the
statement is very good, it's very fine, but I believe there's a little
discrepancy in there.)  He said it's got no age and can't grow old. 
That's true.  Now, since God formed man, formed Adam through direct
creation, all other men to become his attributes were supposed to be
brought to life in this way without using women.  Otherwise God would
have made a mistake using another means than the first part--time to
bring men to life, since God formed Adam through direct creation.

	Well, we know that Bro. Branham did say that that was the way God had
it purposed, but he said they would have come to it anyway, later on,
which was sex.  Then, of course, there would have been a difference in
the procreative act of what it means to bring forth children and all. 
See, what happened, you understand...  Now we just have to face the fact
that sex within itself is nothing.  It is the pleasure derived from it,
which makes man and beast animals, passionate, what have you.  And it
could well have been that this would be as it was in the animal kingdom,
that no one would have been born except the act would have been done for
that time for that specific purpose.  And the interest of pleasure would
have been lost, because it was purely by a higher instinct.  But you
see, as Bro. Branham talked about the woman, and the man even, they're
so different from animals, because the animal female does it for babies
only, and only at that one time and for that one purpose, but a woman
can do it anytime.  

	So, we're looking here perhaps at something which is--was--Bro. Branham
intimated, would be under a control, I don't know.  All I can do is just
come back to the very thought that God, being a Saviour, it was
necessary to predestinate a sinner who--who--who would require salvation
in order to give himself reason and purpose of being.  And Bro. Branham
used this statement from Irenaeus, and he delineate--and he delineated
upon it many, many times.  

	Before the fall, I don't think that animals were using sex to multiply.
 This way of doing is a consequence of Eve's sin.  As God forbade human
creature to take of this knowledge, wouldn't it have been in His will,
that animals will--that animals use this way of multiplying?  After the
Millennium, is there going to be any procreation concerning animals?  Is
there not going to be a certain number of animals created by God and
that's all?

	Well, look it, I look at this picture here... I cannot look at this as
though I have the answer.  All I can go back to Genesis and where
brother--where the Word of God said, "Let the earth bring forth the
beast."  There is no such thing as earth of itself bringing forth
beasts.  Because if there is, then you have spontaneous generation.  It
won't work.  There has got to be a life there.  And I believe that
absolutely, that even the same with us, there were animals there in the
form of the spirit when God said, "Let the earth bring forth."  It just
immediately took on the creature form, and that would give them the
ability to procreate, would give them the ability to eat the grass and
do all the things that were necessary within life.  

	But remember, there is nothing evil in itself.  I believe that to look
at this picture completely, perfectly, is to realize that Adam and Eve
were built with that intent.  And they didn't--and what she did, she
kicked over the milk bucket by going to the serpent.  Then he blew it by
taking her.  Bringing forth the twins.  And down the road, what would
have happened is already in God's understanding and plan, because man
messed it up, he is going to bring us forth and do it, not by sex and
marriage and divorce as Bro. Branham preached it, he will not do it by
sex, but he will do it by creation, as he forms anew and again from the
potash, the calcium and cosmic energy, or rays and all these things,
that Bro. Branham mentioned.  

	Now I appreciate and I--and I dearly love his understanding and what
he's looking at.  Because it is very, very--it's what you call in the
vernacular, very neat.  It's very, very intriguing, it's--but you stick
a hundred percent with what the prophet said, and don't go beyond it. 
When the door opens a little bit, don't... I tell you it's dangerous to
try to stick your head through a door that'll cut your ears off.  And
poke your nose in a bit.  It--it won't hurt to get it bopped.  It's not
bad looking at these things, in other words.  I appreciate him looking
at it.  I like--I like doing this myself, but I realize it can be
terribly dangerous.  

	Where are the glorified saints of the Old Testament?  Very good
question.  And I'll tell you where they are.  They're somewhere I don't
know.  They're in a dimension.  They're in a dimension, but you better
believe they're there.  They never went back to the dust.  They went up
with Him.  The Bible tells us absolutely.  Bro. Branham preached on it. 
They went up with Him.  What's up?  Who knows.  He said, "What's up,
what's down."  You mean the people at the south pole are standing on
their heads by way of their feet?  Whatever?  No, who knows.  ...?...at
the equator?   And here everybody's what?  Standing upright.  What's up?
 Where your head is.  Who knows?  

	I'm not interested, you know, really because it's just a... it's lots
of fun, you know, looking at these because Science is completely
confused.  And so therefore, don't blame me if I'm confused.  But you
see, I'm happy in my confusion, 'cause I have a hope.  I'm not confused
concerning the saved, I'm confused concerning these other things, and
it's a--it's a lot of fun though.  I mean it's interesting, it's--it's a
lot of joy.

	Who have--it says, where are the saints who've gone to heaven after
they spent forty days in the earth?

	They're in a dimension, they went up.  

	In the "Future Home of the Heavenly Bridegroom" Bro. Branham speaks of
a pyramid whose side is twenty-two hundred kilometers--fifteen hundred
miles.  I believe this, since it was said by the prophet, but is it not
really a huge height?  

	No.  I wouldn't say it's very high at all because when you consider the
earth twenty-five thousand miles around.  And who knows how high the
heavens are.  Look where the moon is.  What's that, a hundred a
ninety-six thousand miles, or two hundred and thirty?  Whatever,
what's--how--how far is the moon from here?  I don't know.  About two
hundred and thirty thousand.  Whee!  What's--what's fifteen hundred
miles?  What's fifteen hundred miles?  Ain't nothing at all_  It's going
to be like terraced and all.  It's wonderful and you know what?  This
city without a doubt will defy imagination and all human ingenuity. 
They'll say, "How could it be?"  You know, that's--there again is the
answer.  I don't care who owns it, long as I can use it.  I don't care
how it was... you know, I don't care, you know, where things come from,
as long as it's legitimate and I can have it.  Now what's more
legitimate than God says you can have it?  

	Where are we going to be during the Millennium and after it when the
earth explodes?  Well, I believe there's a statement of Bro. Branham's,
I'm not quite sure I can quote it because it's more my statement than
his, that we're caught up to the throne of God... he makes the
statement... in my mind I can sort of get it, but I can't really quote
it, about being caught away with God.  Something like maybe the secret
place, until this is like the wave of a hand, just the Word.  And it's
all over, we--it's all a brand new earth, and we--and we come down upon
it.  Because remember, he saw New Jerusalem coming down.  So we are
caught up, I call it, to the throne of God.  Put it that way.  And
that's about all I can say.  I don't know that the prophet said those
exact words, but I'm sure he didn't.  

	What can we think of 1977, fourteen years before, and the state of the
USSR?  Well, 1977 is very easy to understand because Bro. Branham said
"I am predicting."  Where people misunderstood the Church Age book...
and I didn't--I--and I can't--I don't blame them, but if--if--if
they--if... look it, if you can read English, and you're smart enough to
have a degree, or you're smart enough to get through school, or anywhere
near school, surely you can understand, that if I go through six gates
to come to the pasture, and then I'm talking in such a way that you know
I am going to the pasture, you've got to come through that gate.  'Cause
there's no other way to get in the pasture.  

	All right, the book--the Church Age book definitely says, "I am not
prophesying, I am predicting."  In other words, it is not THUS SAITH THE
LORD, this is going to be.  But according to the length of time it's
taken for these visions and all, and the words in there are, by divine
revelation.  Now the point is, if he's not prophesying, divine
revelation is not within the prophecy.  What was the divine revelation? 
The seven visions.  So it threw some people for a loop.  I'm not
unhappy.  I knew what I wrote and exactly why I wrote it.  And Bro.
Branham read it.  And he knew it.  But if people--the people can say,
"Well, this is a bit of crystal, and this is a bit of brass."  And I
allude to the crystal, you can't tell it from brass, by the explanation
having been that there's only two.  And now you want to interject
something like bronze.  Hey, I'm sorry for it, but you're not very
smart.  You're not very smart.  

	You say, "Just a minute, all these things take revelation."  Just a
minute you.  There's a lot of this book that doesn't require revelation.
 It's a plain statement of fact.  And that is, did Jesus die and did he
rise?  That does not take a revelation.  That's a plain statement of
fact.  And right now we've got Science to prove what we're talking
about.  You don't need a revelation about that.  There it is.  You say,
well I need something else.  Well, good for you, you need something
else.  That's too bad.  

	All right, we got a few more to go here, so let's leave this till we
come back.  And we're just about completely finished.  But that's all
right, we've got something else to bring along with it next time.

	All right, our time's gone and I trust that--that you can see that
there are people around the world that have a--are fine solid
Christians, fine men of God, have a good grasp of the Word, are hungry
to know all they can know about it, same as we are.  We've got brothers,
by the grace of God, we'll meet right here on this earth in a form in a
new--in a new--new bodies, and then hear the trumpet call and be caught
up.  And that's every kindred tribe in the sense of who knows where
they're coming from.  One working in the field, one sleeping in a bed,
different sides of the earth, but they're going to be there.

	Let's rise at this time.

	Heavenly Father, we again thank You for the time we have coming
together and the good fellowship we have with our brother from across
the sea.  Who we see, Lord, has the same spirit of faith and
understanding, a very fine brother.  We can tell by his great concern of
sin in the church and people.  We have the same concern.  But Lord, help
us all to just be as the prophet.  We saw him walk through the sewers,
come out smelling like a rose.  There's nothing to stop us from just
walking right through the depths of the degradation of humanity.  To see
all these things that pawn themselves off as truth, and they're not the
truth.  Men that are not purveyors of reality but purveyors of the
salacious; perfidy, proud, ignorant, boasters, Lord, we know that
they're there.  

	By Your grace, Lord, it's--we're not one of them just because of You. 
We're seeing our roots in you from before the foundation of the world. 
We've seen, also, the fact of what has been revealed to us as not just
something that comes by the human mind of which we know.  I myself have
been accused so many times, and confronted by people in letters that I'm
just a terrible carnal thinker.  Well, that's their business.  I believe
otherwise.  

	So Father, we appreciate these people everywhere.  And because we
appreciate them, may we from this moment on begin to appreciate more
each other in this church here, that comes together, Lord, to have
fellowship around the Word.  And may it become our sole source of
comfort, even because it is our sole source of life.  We desire that. 
And desire is the chapter of this life to open up more and more to us,
until we are completely immersed in it, and it completely immersed with
us so that we are one.  Grant, Lord, these great desires of our hearts
this morning.  These desires, Lord, that seem so far beyond us, and yet
they are Scriptural.  

	And therefore, Lord, we know You stand behind Your Word to perform it. 
Let it be performed in us.  Let us, Lord, manifest as the good seed,
bringing forth thirty, sixty, and a hundred according to the Word.  Not
being arrogant with ourselves, hoping we might bring forth a hundred,
except in revelation that we're a hundred percent with it.  And then,
Lord, what comes forth, may we be inspired by the passive faith to enter
into the active faith and say, "Yes, Lord, we're willing."  And by the
strength within us through You be the living epistle, be that Word
manifested.  In all humility and grace and the nature of Jesus Christ
away from this other nature now which must die completely.  And the true
life of the soul come forth which we long to see come forth, and will
one day yet come forth in the resurrection and in immortality as we
stand even now before the Tree of Life, disregarding entirely the tree
of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.  We have no place for it.  Eyes
totally upon You, the Tree of Life, walking with our garments washed
into immortality.  Trusting this to be the truth for every single one of
us.  

	Now Lord, may You have glory and honor, because You're worthy.  And we
would try to do it, and believe that somehow we might do it with Your
help.  In the name of our blessed Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.  Amen. 


	'Take the Name of Jesus with you.'

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