Questions & Answers

Bro. Lee Vayle – March 3, 1991

	Shall we pray. Heavenly Father, we know the Presence of the Holy Spirit
is here with us, with the Bride, Lord, having formally visited the
church, which turned Him down, knowing He is here for one particular
reason, to restore that Word, open up those Seals, giving us the light
and illumination of the hour which brings us into perfect restoration,
revelation. And we know Lord there’s questions on our hearts and minds
and I know particularly I cannot answer them all, might be answer part,
but not answer all Lord, answer in a way that still much answers needed,
but we just ask You to help us this morning to guide our thoughts, guide
our minds Lord, our hearts and the words Father, that they mean what You
had in Your Word to mean and brought forth by a prophet. We’ll give
You the praise, in Jesus’ Name. Amen. You may be seated.

1.	Now we’re going to try to get into some questions and answers, but
before we do, I am going to be receiving shortly a book review that is
written up by people that are pretty good at reviewing books and
bringing out salient factors, and that book of course is going to be
concerning ‘The Keys to this Blood,’ by Dr. Malachi Martin,
concerning the papacy and what is actually going on there at this
particular time. Now we had part of that by an interview, which was very
good, got brought to us by Bro. Roger Smith, when it was delivered in
Canada awhile back, up in British Columbia. 

2.	Now there’s a report from The European, which magazine I don’t
get any longer, but there’s a report from it relative to the prophetic
?coalition/collation? and the truth of Babylon and the Roman church, the
Vatican. And concerning this – I’ll just read what they have said. 

	“A love letter, pledging closer cooperation between the European
community and the United States has been drawn up to establish the
framework for relations in the post cold war era. The declaration,
originally a German idea, was devised in response to US Secretary of
State, James Baker’s call for a treaty setting out a new international
order for the crumbling of Communism in Eastern Europe. A German
official said a declaration rather than a treaty would give the right
political signals without offending national political sensibilities or
aggravating fears of an unhealthy Anglo-Saxon Alliance. Described as a
love letter, by Andreas Van Agt, head of the EC’s delegation in
Washington, the agreement with the US is intended to improve political
and economic cooperation now that the perceived security threat from
Eastern Europe has receded. Transatlantic political cooperation rooted
in common values, according to US official, would become more important
as the community’s embryonic foreign policy and security role
develops. But the US maintains there is more to the text. And the
official said, “It is not just flowery rhetoric, there is a more
practical side to it also.” The three page draft text sets out the
first formal framework for cooperation on technical questions that have
evolved over the past year in response to US fears that the 1992 single
market would create a ?fortress? Europe. (And notice the date is ’92,
the same date that Martin used, ‘91/’92.) The document specifies the
level and frequency of bilateral contacts on the range of issues from
technical standards to technology and the environment.” 

3.	Now that’s that. “Vatican renews links with its prodigal son”: 

	“The Communism loss in Eastern Europe has been the church’s gain.
After more than forty years of repression, last weeks decision by the
Vatican to reestablish full diplomatic relations with Bulgaria means
that Albania is the only East European country without formal links with
Rome. (By now that could be established, who knows?)  A Vatican
diplomatic said, “One after one, the barriers to religious freedom are
falling. We are making progress right across the continent.” Since
Poland became the first East European nation to establish diplomatic
relations with the Vatican in July, 1989, after a lapse of more than 40
years… (Forty, notice that figure forty is always somewhere.) …the
Roman Catholic church has moved quickly to expand its influence in the
region.”

4.	“Last April, during an official visit to Czechoslovakia the Pope
underlined the role of the Vatican in shaping a new Europe, when he
announced a Europe wide meeting of bishops. (That sounds good, doesn’t
it? Elders, see?) This synod, which will include prelates from Ukraine
and Albania will take place next year in a draft of strategy designed to
meet the pope’s vision of a Europe united by Christian values. A papal
spokesman, Joaquin Navarro said, “The agenda for the synod will be
huge. It will be the first such European church summit bringing together
bishops from every country on the continent.””

	“President Gorbachev recently met Pope John Paul II in Rome for the
second time in less than a year. While Mr. Gorbachev invited the pope to
visit the Soviet Union, a Vatican spokesman said this is unlikely for
the near future. There is a growing evidence that the Vatican’s
diplomatic advances are also giving the church a leading role in the
political reform of Eastern Europe.” 

	Which signifies that the Vatican is going to move into leadership in
Europe, …?... under the conditions which are economical.

	All right, “The Pope’s Unknown Visions.” So here we’re going
read about the Pope from Malachi Martin. 

5.	Now in this article from the Washington Times: 

	“The assassin’s bullets that tore through Pope John Paul on May 13,
1981, ricocheted in the headlines that day but made the greatest impact
on world history during the quiet convalescent period that followed.” 

	Maybe that’s kind of like the wound that could be unto death, got
healed, eh? Give him a chance to do something a little more spectacular.


	“The brush with death convinced the pope that “the end times” had
come, according to a new thesis by Vatican affairs expert Malachi
Martin.” 

	Now what you’re listening to is a man’s mouth shooting off. Is what
you’re listening to. You’re listening to a man who says, “I am the
vicar of Christ, I speak as God, I’m speaking ex cathedra” in other
words, “I’m speaking out of the throne, and I am telling you. And
here’s what I’m telling you.” Now you can judge yourself who’s
motivating his rapacious greed to take over. 

	“Reports started getting back to us that in Gemelli Hospital [in
Rome], the pope had visions,” Mr. Martin said. “The pope took a new
interest in the predictions made at Fatima, Portugal, in 1917, about the
end of the world. He visited there the next March. That’s when I said
to myself, it’s changed,” Mr. Martin, age 70, said in the recent
interview. Working Vatican sources since then, the former Jesuit
professor in Rome, once a confidant of Pope John XXIII, believes he
knows the mind of John Paul II and his new global agenda. “The Polish
pope came to Rome, young, healthy and ready for a long steady reform of
the church,” Mr. Martin said, “but suddenly saw the fragility of his
life.” Because of several spiritual experiences, political events, and
a series of coincidences, he adopted an apocalyptic vision of the
future. Quoting, “The pope has made up his mind that it is going to
take place soon. He has banked all on one throw of the dice.”” 

6.	Do you hear what I said? The lots are cast. As far as he’s
concerned, this is it or its not it. And yet people see a vindicated man
with a vindicated message and they’re not willing to take the toss.
Now you say, “What has a dice game got to do with God?” Well I’m
going to tell you, the casting of the lots has always been in the Bible.
But you got to know what you’re doing. They gambled at the foot of
Jesus Christ and lost the gamble. They thought they’d won it.
They’re shooting dice. This is a perfectly scriptural statement, he
has banked all on one throw of the dice, live or die, sink or swim, this
is the coup d’état we’re looking for. 

	“And instead of seeking to reform the church from the Vatican
bureaucracy down to the parishes, the pope made it his priority to set
the geopolitical stage for a supernatural intervention by God, he
said.”

7.	What do you think Israel’s doing? Do you ever stop to think that
Daniel’s vision had to do with the Gentiles and the Jew running
parallel? When Bro. Branham said, “Israel’s got the paper, the Jews,
and Rome has got the gold,” do you think he was just talking? 

	“Oh isn’t it nice, Bro. Branham told us this cute little thing.
There were two little horses playing in the pasture. One was black and
one was red. And Joan says, “I will take the little red horse,” and
Jack said, “I will take the black horse.” Zippity-zip, they go
riding.” 

	Is that all he meant? He was telling you something. One group with the
paper thinks they’ve got it and the other group with the gold knows
they’ve got it. And we’re dealing in the world system. When the
stone made without hands comes down and blooey! Takes everything out!
Where the church is purged, the earth is purged, and Israel’s purged.
There ain’t nobody going to be here, except the white horse rider and
those that come with him. “Ah well.” Something like the Presence,
“It’s a doctrine.” 

8.	I don’t mean to be sarcastic with you, but sometimes it’s the
only way I know how to get the point across. This is it, it’s the
toss. He’s banking on what he believes he got from God, period. He is
now God’s man! Now if that isn’t what Bro. Branham said in the
Seals, I don’t even know what he was talking about in the Seals, the
horse riders. And the last one is Death! Apocalypse! Apocalypse now, the
four riders of the Apocalypse, and the last one goes plumb off into
eternity! He said it, I’m reading it. He said, twenty-five years, a
hundred? Who knows? All right? 

	“Instead of seeking reform, the church from the Vatican bureaucracy
down to the parishes, the pope made it his priority to set the
geopolitical stage for a supernatural invention by God, he said.” 

9.	In other words, it will no longer be from the top down to the bottom,
hoping we get reformation, it is going to be the top doing everything,
and if the bottom doesn’t like it, that’s its tough luck! 

	“That will be preceded by a rise in religious nationalism, focused in
central Europe in Russia and a final ideological battle for the souls of
men. (Dealing in the souls of men.) Mr. Martin’s thesis is made plain
in the title of his new book; ‘The Keys of this Blood’, the struggle
for world dominion between Pope John Paul II, Mikhail Gorbachev and the
capitalists west is Mr. Bush. How does the pope believe he will win
against the secular one world consumerism of the capitalists west or the
atheistic socialism of world communism? 

	...?... “How’s this stupid little jerk going to take over world
finances?” 

	“At the peak of world chaos God will provide a sign.”

	 “Hey who’s this fellow hearing from?” 'THUS SAITH THE LORD'
doesn’t mean a thing, but suddenly big mouth! Means everything. Of
course this guy that wrote this is an unbeliever. He doesn’t believe,
but he will be shortly. Now:

10.	“Mr. Martin said of the pope’s belief, “The entire world will
know that he has the final moral authority. (How do you change morals?
It’s quite simple, if you got enough money.) The papal story he tells
begins in Poland, where religious and political dynamics train …?...
as the first geopolitical pope, and now …?... an ardent Catholic.” 

	If brains were dynamite, and I speak concerning the economic condition
of Poland, he wouldn’t have enough dynamite to blow a cigarette paper
off the floor, because he’s changing his mind as to what his
priorities were and are and he’s not going to make a go of it! Now who
do you think is going to back him? Tells you right here! 

	“The new pope was persuaded of the imminent fulfillment of God’s
providence by two events, Mr. Martin said. First was Poland’s Catholic
based solidarity movement which toppled communism and was the early
glimmer of a world trend. (Now you might not have known that, that’s
the truth.) Then came the assassination attempt. That day on St.
Peter’s Square the pope noticed a young girl wearing a picture of our
lady of Fatima. Attracted toward it, he leaned over, and the
assassin’s first bullet missed his skull.” 

11.	That’s a good sign. Fatima is it. And who was there? Mary.
Fatima’s only the place. Some say ‘Fatima’, I think its Fatima. 

	“In Fatima in 1917, many believed three children were visited by the
virgin Mary and told that the church should pray for the conversion of
Russia, a conversion that would signal the end time. The youth said they
were given three messages, one of which they eventually told, growing
sinfulness in the world, an apparent prediction of World War II, and the
mandate to pray for Russia. The third remains a secret known only to
popes who have said it did not concern their time. John Paul II views
the time as now, Mr. Martin said.” 

	Now what do you think the big sign from heaven’s going to be? It’s
going to be lying sign and wonder. Now I still tell you, I don’t know
where I got it. Did Bro. Branham tell me privately? Is it on a tape? I
don’t know. But something somewhere echoes in my mind that it was
said, and I believe by him, the lying sign and wonder is the solution of
the economic situation. 

12.	Now let me tell you, when everything has gone down the drain, and
the pope can spill the gold up and establish the system, which was
already attempted and I believe is also attempted by the Jews with the
paper. You’ve got two systems trying to carry it out; neither one’s
going to work. Jews have the paper. 

	When Hitler walked into France, into Austria, then to every country,
and the Rothschild’s were there worth their billions, I want to ask a
question. Did he take the banks over or did he not? When the Jews came
to America and Canada and bought up everything seemingly, what did they
buy it with? Is it true that Morgan …?... gave our money plates to
Harry Hopkins – yeah it was Hopkins – Dexter White was also in the
mess, took those plates over to Russia and they printed our money, until
there’s trillions of dollars floating around we’re liable for?
Seventy-two percent at least of all currency is conducted in American
money, and the whole world is going to be awash shortly with shortages
and inflation. And America’s so smart it thinks it is, that it is
actually suffering from parts for their planes and their missiles and
everything else, because they’re farmed out to Europe and other
places, and right now in America there was a breakdown, because certain
parts were made in an allied country of the Arabs, and the place is shut
down right here in America because of that. Do you think America’s got
a Chinaman’s chance, as they say, or a snowball in hell? Come on. 

13.	The miracle that’s needed right now is somebody strong enough to
get the currency moving and the goods moving to everybody, because
it’s going to be a social problem. The people will not stand still any
longer, because this is the age of people’s rights. It was barely
starting in 1929, when the Great Depression hit and men jumped out of
windows in New York like hailstones. People committing suicide. But
there were those who were smart enough, that knew what was going to
happen, like Joe Kennedy and different ones – read your paper, read
your books where they’re authentic. 

	Do you think people are going to stand by now and allow that? When rape
on every corner means nothing? And the church takes its stand with
homosexually, which I’ll read about. Do you think they’re going to
stand back and not like those Catholic priests and those Lutheran
priests, not egg the people on to rip up the houses of the rich if they
have to, and come against every government to take over and say,
“Listen we demand food”? If your homosexual can stand up and demand
and get more money than the cancer society and the heart society and all
diseases put together, and stand there and say, “We’re going to do
what we want to do it, and you’re going to pay for it,” and
they’re getting it done, do you think the people are going to stand
back and not rebel and come forward en masse, and kill and destroy, rape
and pillage to get what they want? Why you’ve got to be completely
nuts. Natural brute beasts will do anything.

	Now the man that’s going to solve the problem is going to be Almighty
God to the people and don’t think he ain’t. And it ain’t going to
be the Jews. Because the Jews are saved in spite of their blindness and
in spite of their rottenness. When that stone, carved without hands,
comes down and smites the feet of the world religious empire. Now
that’s exactly what the Bible teaches, you do what you want.

14.	Let me read you, the queen has a gay chaplain. That doesn’t mean
he’s a happy fellow, though he looks very happy. Says here: 

	“One of the queen’s chaplain’s has admitted having homosexual
tendencies, it was revealed last night. Canon Eric James claims that the
marvelous gift helped him and many leading churchmen, bishops included,
in their religious roles.” 

	Well now if you want to be a real good minister, just become a
homosexual. That’s what it says. 

	“His confession, which will shock millions of church goers, last
night drew a strong reaction from Tory MP Ivor Stanbrook who has a
special interest in religious affairs. Mr. Stanbrook said, “I’m very
disappointed and particularly depressed that it should be Canon James
who is saying this.””

15.	I love the English people for how they back away, everything is so
suppressed. You know the atomic bomb can kill four million people and
the English will stand back and say, “That was a tremendous explosion
and many people died.” They are so great at that. They are trained
from the shoes up. No wonder they’re taken for a bunch of suckers. 

	“Canon James admits in a frank interview for the Channel Four program
out on Sunday to be screened on September 3rd that he would never have
been ordained in 1951 if he had been honest about his homosexuality. (So
the thing is first of all you lie about it. Then when you get enough
people with AIDS, then you confess it.) But he argues, “The gay part
of my own nature has been a tremendous assistance to my ministry. (Now
if you can’t get what he’s talking about, you got to be stupid.)
People think of it as a negative thing. I think of it as the most
marvelous gift. I’d never want to disown that part of my nature. I’d
want to say it has helped me as it has helped many of the best people in
the church of England.” (Hurrah, hurrah, hurrah.) The program will
debate whether practicing gay men should be ordained. (Well this bird
is.) The Canon adds, (that means he’s a big gun,) “Many pastors who
have become bishops and principles of theological colleges very often
have a very strong gay side to their nature and it’s a marvelous help
in the personal ministry.”” 

	Can you believe what I read? This is from a conservative British paper
sent to me by Bro. Stan. Yi-yi-yi. Thank God for some sensible
questions. I’ll read them as I go.

	“You covered many times how Paul said we live by the faith of the Son
of God. Could you elaborate on the covenant between the Father and His
Son that we are depending upon?”

16.	Well not more than I have already elaborated upon it, because I gave
about as full of a view as I possibly could when we covered Covenants.
And let me see. Where are we at? I really don’t know. Paul said in Gal
2:20:

(20)	I (have been) crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not
I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh  
       I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave
himself for me. 

	Now what was the faith of Jesus Christ as he committed himself
absolutely into the hands of Almighty God? The Spirit of God had to have
left him in the Garden of Gethsemane. “Into Thy hands I commend my
spirit.” And he prayed unto God, knowing that God could and would
raise him! 

	That same faith is in every single seed of God and you live by it. You
are looking forward to the resurrection, and it has nothing to do with
you, because you can’t raise yourself; you’re gone, you’re
finished, you’re over! There’s only One that can raise you, and that
is God! And there’s no way you can be raised, outside of an atonement
or some special work that God does, because you’re not fit to be
raised! 

17.	So therefore the faith that Jesus had in Almighty God, the atoning
perfect work, the satisfaction of the work of Christ, it concerning him
and concerning his Father. That particular faith is what Paul rested on.
Because if it worked for him, that is for Christ, it’s going to work
for Paul. 

	Now he said, “If it doesn’t work, I’m of all men most
miserable.” 

	So what you have right today is that faith of the Lord Jesus Christ,
the covenant. For it starts out, “You this day, I’ve begotten you. I
will be to [you] a Father, he will to be Me the Son.” And then, “Sit
on My right hand.” 

	All of these things indicate that covenant where Jesus Christ will
be… the Lamb on the throne, and the Pillar of Fire above the throne,
and all the children round about, that is that faith and we can see it
culminating day by day, and you saw it absolutely right there. Right
there, the same faith William Branham had, he said, “I’ll go to the
graveyard. If He says, “You raise Abraham Lincoln or George
Washington, or anybody,”” he said, “I’ll go right there and
raise him or you shoot me down.” 

	See that’s what you are looking at. You are looking at and depending
on – not anything that man has, or can obtain, but you’re looking
upon that which Jesus Christ himself had, the faith of the Lord Jesus
Christ himself. And so as he knew and proved that God raised him, so
Paul knew and we know that God can and will raise us. Because that’s
the original before the foundation of the world agreement! See? It’s
the funniest thing; man always wants to abrogate those things he has no
part in. That’s right. You can’t do it. You got to just sit back and
roll with the punches, believe it or not believe it.

18.	So that brings me to a question, if I can find it here. Now, “On
Sunday, January 3rd, Facts of our Faith #2, you stated that one
revelation as concerning God and His Word and our part in it, if
any…” 

	That’s exactly true! When a person preaches any Word of Almighty God,
there is the perfect element of three kinds of people sitting there:
true believers, make-believers and total unbelievers. And as that Word
goes forth, the covenant can be perfectly enunciated. And a real
unbeliever or a real make-believer can sit there and say, “Absolutely
I can see the sense of it because nature shows it.” And he hasn’t
got one part in it! 

	So that’s what I am saying. Revelation doesn’t include everybody.
It’s whether you’ve got what it takes. Jesus distinctly said,
“You’ve got no part in me.” He said, “The reason you can’t
take my Word, there’s no place in you for it.” But he sure didn’t
stop telling the Word. He was a complete delineation of the Father. 

	And the disciples said, eleven of them said; “Now we know for sure
you speak the truth that you came out of God and go back to God and you
are the Son of God.” 

	The rest of them stood by and they say, “Huh, look what those idiots
talking about.” 

	Bro. Branham said if the truly fertilized seed falls in the good
ground, all it needs is the rain and the sunshine. So that’s the
answer.

19.	There’s a question right here. “Tell us, as we were hearing for
the first time, what is Rhema, what is Logos?”  In other words, go to
the beginning and go over it all again. “What’s the relationship of
the two? How does this apply to our daily walk?” 

	Well it might not have a thing to do with your daily walk except in the
fact that you are learning what your life is all about from the person
who is giving it to you. You can’t say that conduct is involved in
there, except in the sense that conduct will come out of it, because
this will bring a change into your life. And there’ll be fruit. As
Bro. Branham brought in The Stature Of A Perfect Man, you start with
faith, which is definitely a gift from God. See? That is in there. Then
from there goes virtue and so on, up the line. And there’s an
increase.

	But all right, let’s go back to the very beginning. And when you go
back to the beginning, you go back to God, where there wasn’t a speck
of stardust, there was nothing but God, and according to the Word it is
then said, “God dwelling in darkness”. And I believe that is a
metaphorical term. I don’t believe it has anything to do with actual
substance, as we know light and darkness, because the Scripture said,
“Let there be light and there was light,” and then it says, “He
created the sun and the moon.” So there’s a light beyond what we
know as per nature. Which I don’t pretend to understand. 

20.	Also Scripture also says that God is light. That’s God within
Himself is light. So therefore anything outside of God would be
darkness. So as I say that can be a…  you know… just a descriptive
terminology. Which if it isn’t we’re not going to worry about it,
because I want to get to my point here. 

	God in the beginning was solitary, all alone. As we’ve said many
times, …?... God up there in the eternality of Almighty God, with His
thoughts and His great ability, He was there alone thinking His
thoughts. And then as those thoughts were in there, Bro. Branham
mentions that they were put upon a Book and they were recorded. Remember
when we looked into the chronology of Who Is This Melchisedec? 

21.	All right, having then been recorded, the next thing they would be
spoken. Now they’re already recorded in God, put it that way –
we’re talking about a Book. 

	So all right. Now as soon as they’re spoken, it means that that which
is spoken must come into effect or being. How long, we don’t know.
Bro. Branham said maybe a minute, maybe a year, thousands of years, who
knows? But once spoken there is no way to take it back. 

	As the philosopher once said, “Any time you say anything,
particularly evil, you’ve got as much chance as taking that back as
you have scattering a whole pillow full of down in the air in a
windstorm, you’ll never get it back.” 

	So therefore the Spoken Word means 'THUS SAITH THE LORD'. It is
positively there to come into manifestation.

22.	So all right, we are looking at the very basic, and we go back to
what people want to call Rhema. Now that would be what was in God and
put down in a record. As the Bible speaks of those Books back in the
Book of Revelation. 

	Now then the Word to come forth will be spoken. And when It is spoken,
It has to come into being. So therefore that would be the Logos, which
would be the original thought, brought into an order, now coming forth. 

	Now because that is true, you cannot separate Rhema from Logos on the
very grounds that It is the one Word of Almighty God and what does it
matter whether It’s written? It had to start back in the beginning
before It was written, and now that It’s written, It’s spoken, and
it comes into a manifestation. It simply means what was intrinsically in
there and designated to be such, now must come forth, even as if God
wrote ‘cow’ and said ‘cow’, a pig wouldn’t appear! You
understand what I’m saying? The definitive. 

23.	So therefore, when we talk about Logos and Rhema in the particular
sense that we’re using it through Scripture, and you go to the Bible,
especially you go to the Book of John, any place you want to go really,
through the Epistles, and you get a Strong’s Concordance. And in there
you’re going to find that Rhema and Logos are interchangeable. I
don’t care what any big mouthed, split-brained idiot tries to tell
you, the Hebrews understood Rhema Logos, in their own words, and Bro.
Branham used it that way. When he said, “God’s going to judge the
world by one Christ Jesus,” he immediately said, “and He is the
Word!”  

	Now what does a judge do? A judge cannot take an interpretation until
first of all he has the Word! So therefore you could say, “The judge
gave a logos based upon a rhema.” You try to separate Logos and Rhema.
If you try to separate what was in God from a written Word and a spoken
Word, you’re going to end up a complete mess. But no, these weirdoes
are going to try to do it, because they’re super intelligent. And
super intelligence is of Satan’s Eden! So I use the word as a
hyphenated word in order to help you. 

24.	Now I’m going to leave that temporarily because there’s another
question here somewhere. “Tell us how it is that Bro. Branham had the
Church Age Book published in his name, we understand the spirit of the
Message that it was as if you both wrote it. I speak as to plagiarisms  
I do not accuse in the least. I think with a little explanation it would
profit us all.” 

	Well that may sound like kind of a lousy question this late in the
hour, but it’s a good question. How come that seeing I wrote the book
for Bro. Branham, as he said he wanted the book grammarized, which
simply would have meant that I would have taken where he put some bad
words in, that is some words of ill usage, and where his subject did not
necessarily deal with the verb, because one was singular and one was
plural, or where he used an adverb instead of an adjective, or he should
have used an adverb before the adjective. And many times his English was
flawed, he used words that nobody understood, some of which he made up
himself. It would have been then where I would have simply changed that,
and there would not have been any change whatsoever except in the
English of it. 

	However when I went into the Church Ages, after having sat through the
Seals, I brought to his attention that to simply do the book in that
form would not do him justice as to what he was trying to bring to the
people. That we should include all the material we have at the present
date. 

25.	Now it was written in his name in the first person, because the
doctrine contained in the book had nothing to do with me as a person. I
had to believe what he said whether I believed it or not. I had to
believe what he said whether I understood it or not. Because for me to
stand back and write a book on my own concerning him and taking his
doctrine would have been an unjust treatment, because then I would have
been sitting superior to the prophet and judging him. 

	My attitude of him was never that way; I’ve told you before, so
you’ll understand why the book was written the way it was. When I was
with Bro. Branham in 1958, and people would put on a Branham/Vayle
campaign, I said, “Take my name off.” 

	They said, “Well you’re in a Branham/Vayle campaign.” 

	I said, “No, it’s a Branham campaign. I wouldn’t even be here
except for him; it’s his campaign, I am here to assist what I can
do.” 

	So therefore this being his doctrine and you’ll notice he was not
Oneness in the accepted sense of the church that’s Oneness. Which is
Jesus Only. Which today the most people in this Message are Jesus Only.
And he repudiated that, not simply on the basis of Jesus’ Name for
baptism, but he stood against the doctrine, because he said, “We are
not Oneness, we are not Trinity, we do not believe in two!”  And when
he got through preaching on the Godhead, there is one God, he said, as I
mentioned, that you have to be re-baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus
Christ.

26.	So all right, the book was written the way it was because it was
Bro. Branham’s doctrine. And it was written in the first person,
absolutely, because it had to be the explanation of the man and exactly
what he was believing as pertaining to the doctrine. 

	Now therefore any book that I would write on my own would simply negate
entirely any of the doctrines that Bro. Branham said. Anybody could come
along and say, “Well, now let’s see, that’s got to be Lee
Vayle’s book.” 

	Actually Mr. Wilbur Collins will tell you, absolutely he did that. He
went to Bro. Branham and he said, “Now, Bro. Branham, I know that you
love Bro. Vayle, and you’re a very gentle person and all, but,” he
said, “absolutely that book is Lee Vayle not William Branham.” 

27.	You see, because he didn’t understand White Throne judgment.
That’s my understanding, now I could be wrong on this one point, but
illustrating. Everybody seems to think that the White Throne – and
Matthew 25 –  the judgment of nations is right at the battle of
Armageddon when Jesus comes down and says, “Oh now you fine nation
over here,” America of course being one, “and you fine nation over
here,” somebody else being another, “I’m going to take you to the
Millennium.” 

	That’s a lie. That’s an absolute lie. That’s when He comes with
the rod of iron, not at the end of the Millennium, although it’s
repeated, but before the Millennium He comes with the rod of iron ruling
and reigning and crushing, and bringing His Bride upon either a
completely renovated or partly renovated earth. I don’t know, because
Bro. Branham told me, he said, “I don’t know if it was completely
renovated or partly.” And remember he told you categorically, he said,
he said, “When the Millennium comes,” and he said, “and you’re
here, and you hear a cracked old voice singing way up Northern Canada
way, ‘Amazing Grace’, say, “Well Bro. Branham made it”.” So
you see the thing is he left the thing fluid and flexible here.

28.	So anyway, it was contested that what was in that book was literally
what Bro. Branham was saying! And I spent four and one-half hours on one
point, not to mention eleven days of much time as I could get on another
point! Now if I was writing simply that book concerning Bro. Branham,
what he taught, it would have been my book and I would have had to sign
my name to it! But I was sure that he knew everything that was in that
book! 

	Now you say, “Didn’t Bro. Branham ask you to research certain
things?” Certainly he did. “Like what?” Some of the history. 

	“Find out more about Martin Luther, find out more about St. Patrick,
if you can. Find out this or find out that for me.” 

	But when it came to the doctrine, I can say with the Scripture, the
doctrine is not my own. So really what it all amounts to is somebody
paid to put down exactly what Bro. Branham put down, already, but in a
manner which would be more conducive to reading and also a little
clearer, on the grounds when the doctrine was mentioned they knew
exactly that the doctrine was not what they thought it was, but exactly
what he called it! 

29.	So that’s what it’s all about. Hope that answers your question.
[End of side one of tape one.] It’s a good question. 

	“When Jesus came down to the River Jordan to be baptized, he was a
triune being.” That’s right, body, soul and spirit. “What spirit
did he possess prior to his baptism? Could it be Michael?” No, it
couldn’t be Michael. He was in the form of Michael way back there, and
this would have nothing to do at this particular time. In other words,
he took upon himself that particular form. But you’re looking pretty
close at the whole thing on the grounds of this. When that body was
born, came into the world, what actually did possess it was the Spirit
of Almighty God. 

30.	Now let’s try to go back to the beginning if we possibly can. You
got to go back to Melchisedec, and even then we’re not going to have
all the answers. Because Bro. Branham categorically said, “When a
woman bears a baby, there is a spirit there waiting to receive it.”
What all that means, I don’t know, but he said it and therefore that
is the truth. But he also said to the Mormon, who had a premature birth
of a baby and the baby was dead, “You will see that child in
heaven.” 

	So therefore you know that the soul is different from the spirit and in
the soul is the gene of Almighty God, and you can say the soul is the
gene of God, which Bro. Branham categorically said. So then Jesus would
have to have a soul, this baby being born. And it could be different
from the spirit that was there waiting for it, and no doubt it was, I
don’t know. I can’t tell all those things. But I do know, going back
to Melchisedec again, Bro. Branham categorically said, that he said,
“Jesus came exactly as we did, or we came exactly as he did,” put it
any way you want, “except we bypassed our theophonic form.”

31.	Now in the Unveiling of the Mighty God, he used the Book of
Philippians. And we understand where he is coming from in the 2nd
chapter.

Let this mind be in you, which was also in (the mind of) Christ Jesus:

Who, being in the form of God…

	Now Bro. Branham distinctily said back there, way back in Genesis, that
form was a spirit form. “Let us make man in our image.” And so when
man was made, he was made in a spirit form. Right? That’s what he told
us.

(6)	…thought it not (a prize to be grasped and retained) to be equal 
with God: 

	Now just a minute, who can be equal with God according to Scripture?
Well who is equal to the Father? The first Son is. When he said, Jesus
said, “I am the Son of God,” they said, “Hold it, you are not,
because if you’re the Son of God, then you are equal with God.” Now
they caught it right there. And Jesus never said, “Hey, you boo-booed,
I’m going to tell you what the Scripture really means about that.”
He never said one word; he admitted it. Evidently by silence you admit. 

But (he) made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a
servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, (even) became
obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Wherefore God hath exalted him…

32.	Now Bro. Branham calls that the changing of the mask. Now was Bro.
Branham here a Jesus Only? He said he wasn’t. Now you got a mystery
here. And this is what I keep telling you, I don’t know the
crossovers. All I know is I’m smart enough to know this one thing:
Alpha is Omega. And when I see Omega, I know what the Alpha of God is.
There’s a man called Jesus on the throne and the Pillar of Fire above
the throne. And we took last night all the Scripture, “Putting
everything under his feet; this …?... my Son; I’ve raised you;
begotten…” There’s so many, there’s begottens in the Scripture,
several; begotten from the dead, begotten of God. I don’t have all the
answers, but when you look at Omega, you don’t need to worry about the
crossovers. 

	Now Bro. Branham said, “I know what I believe.” But he said,
“Maybe I can’t explain it.” Well I agree with him. I know what he
believes, he told us. Made it very plain. But he didn’t make it plain
enough. 

	So in this particular point when you say, “Could it be Michael?”
This is the most dangerous part of the question, you are guessing. You
are supposing. You’re opening a door. There’s nothing to say it was
that. Because Michael is an archangel. Now there’s no Scripture at all
to give us any clue on this particular instance. Bro. Branham
categorically said at one time Jesus was Michael. Let me advise you it
is my understanding the Seventh Day Adventists also said the same thing.
Was Bro. Branham a plagiarist? Did he read so many Seventh Day
Adventists books? No, the answer is there’s truth in everything! I
don’t care where you go! 

33.	Let me tell you brother/sister, a lie is nothing but perverted
truth! So everything’s got truth in it, even the devil’s got truth
in it! But he’s the author of a lie! And I’ll tell you why, because
the devil doesn’t have a word of his own, he’s got God’s Word,
like you and I have, and he’s got to use it! And when he does, he –
pbbt – bamboozles. He’s a scuzz bum, I can tell you that. 

	Now this one there – now Bro. Branham said, “God reduced Himself so
small to a sperm and an egg.” God a sperm and an egg? Oh come on.
He’s not a sperm and an egg, He reduced Himself. To what the eye
cannot catch, even like a sperm and an egg, and the egg is many, many,
many times bigger than the sperm. 

	So God, what did He do? If this being the case here, this one here of
whom the Scripture said, “God made all things by him,” right down
the line, yet it was God doing it, and God in here, then God could
reduce Himself to the size of sperm and an egg. Now this one coming
forth then would be the genuine real life that has now left the angelic
form, and every other form, and is now in the form of a man potentially!
And Mary adds nothing but the chemistry. This is her part in it. 

34.	Now this one comes forth, absolutely has to be the Son of God.
Because he is the Son of God! See? Now Who is doing it? “The Holy
Ghost shall come upon thee.” Who’s doing it? God is doing it. What
didn’t God do through Christ? And when it comes right down today –
let’s understand this and get it flat, so you really understand it. If
God doesn’t act according to what He placed in you, whatever you do is
going to go up in smoke! Because you can take anything you want from
God, even the life, and you use it contrary to the dictates of God’s
Voice in that Word, you got wood, hay and stubble. 

35.	Like I said last night, you were in Adam, I was in Adam, if we’re
seed, and Adam is in us. And Jesus could stand right there and say, “I
am in the Father, the Father in me.” And he can say, “The Son of
man, which is in heaven.” And it wasn’t any lie, and it’s no great
big mystery, because if that isn’t true, then there’s a lot of
hogwash going on. And Bro. Branham said the day will come when you will
find out that you always were saved! Did you catch what I’m telling
you? When he said that, the day had come. You were in the Father and the
Father in you, or who were you in? Now you’ve got your choice, you
could be in an animal. Sure. No problem. If you look like me you’re
ugly enough to be an animal. But it’s not the flesh. It’s seed. Now
he said the knowledge of that Scripture was at Pentecost, and today, in
the White Throne. Take a look. Vindication.

36.	All right. “Also was he the Christ before the baptism or only
after?”

	Well look, we took that before as in roles! Intrinsically he always was
every single thing he ever said he was going to be, but it takes the
position to put it. And that position depends upon time. He is not yet
King of kings, but he is! See? Before he was the Son of David he always
was the Son of David, because it was in him to be so! 

	Hey, look, what’s in my genes, given to me by my parents,
particularly my father, where the life is, remember the life has got to
match up, no matter who it’s in, when the gestation starts to take –
that is the fertilization starts to take place – absolutely, it’s
got be as the Scripture says, “Your mother’s of your father, and you
are of your father and you’re all of one.” I’ve explained that by
genes and things sometime ago, you don’t have to worry about it
though. That whole thing is a complete process of a oneness in there.
You’re looking at that complete oneness.

37.	Now, so this role is in me, and this role in my genes says first the
spine – that’s right, chiropractors were right – then there
becomes this, and there becomes that, then the hair begins to form.
After nine months you pass through the canal and you’re out in the
world, you start crying. Now the next role in the gene says you got to
start eating, you got to start breathing. Then the role in the gene
says, “Okay you got to start crawling,” so you’re a crawler, then
you’re a toddler, then you’re a walker, then you’re a runner, and
before that you’re a yapper, you yap and you yap. And then you’re a
little mischief maker, everything in your way you pull down. Then you
get adolescence, you got to go for sex, after that you go for this, and
now look at me, I’m losing all my hair, lost most of my teeth –
thank God for good dentists, good partials. My eyesight isn’t any good
anymore to what it was, I get breathless, I didn’t used to be, and my
role in my genes says, “You’re going to die, boy.” 

	Bro. Branham said, “I was a son, I was a husband, then I was a
father, now I’m a grandfather.” I’m a great-grandfather. Not the
greatest, but a great-grandfather. My own grandkids will mention –
they’ll let you know that. 

	So was Jesus Christ before the baptism? He always was. It’s just
another role. But remember this is the great role, because as Messiah he
dies. He said, “To this end was I born.” In other words, this is the
climax. And notice the climax of the born one that died, he sits on the
Father’s throne and he’s called the Lamb. And the Lamb signifies
death. 

38.	All right. “Bro. Vayle, could you explain Logos in the beginning
when that light that came forth as Bro. Branham said, is it correct in
saying that Logos isn’t eternal, but the life within it is?” 

	Now there again you’re right back to roles. You’re right back to
whatever God wants to do with Himself. However He wants to do it,
whenever He wants to do it. Even Nebuchadnezzar said, “He rules in the
armies of heaven and earth and no man going to stay His hand.” And no
man can say, “Do this, do that …?... ” God’s a complete boss.

	So, now let me tell you something. Bro. Branham – and this is rough
because it has to go back to roles and understanding what God is doing.
And you’d have to understand also how the Word was used within the
context, as Bro. Branham said it, but when he spoke of that light in the
beginning, he called it Logos. But you’ll notice if that Logos was
Jesus, that light that came forth, and he called it as it were the Son
playing around the Father’s door. And the Son saying so and so and
doing this, and the Father said, “That’s good, that’s fine.” 

39.	The same prophet said in Who is This Melchisedec, and this is what I
take as my basic issue, with every sermon Bro. Branham ever preached. He
preached in 1963 and 4 – I beg your pardon – yeah. And in 1965,
before he died, using sermons like This Day Is The Scripture Fulfilled
and Who Is This Melchisedec, just subsequent to going down –
subsequent in it was about April, somewhere in there, maybe – going
down into Louisiana and then out into Yuma where he preached the last
sermon, which I call his last sermon, really last sermon, The Rapture,
which, the Message that came out of the West so to speak, there’s
nothing been like it, it’s the epitomization, and capsulation of
everything he ever said in my books. He preached this Who Is This
Melchisedec, and in there he said, after reading 1 Jn 1:1: “In the
beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was
God,” “If you make the Logos Jesus, you have three gods!” 

40.	Now I’m not going up here and try to explain the prophet and outdo
the prophet, because forget it, he’s not here to correct me. But if he
said one thing in one place, another in another, the last one will have
to be the correction or not so much the correction, the correct
delineation so that you see exactly what is what! Because he’s dealing
with the Presence of God! See? He’s dealing with that great One. 

	Now there again I don’t understand where one slips into the other, I
can’t do it, all I can quote is the prophet. And I cannot believe that
Bro. Branham for one minute could stand up there being vindicated of God
and God allowed him to bring us material that would destroy us. That
would make God the devil. And then if God is the devil then, He is a
very lousy devil, because He didn’t convince anybody hardly at all out
of five billion people. Very, very lousy devil. So you see it’s got to
be God, and God was talking through the prophet, and He said, “If you
make the Logos the Word, if you make that Jesus, you have three gods.”

41.	Now you say, “What is it then?” [John 1:]

(1)	In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was God. 

	Now then you’re looking at this thing, and you’re saying, “Here
now, just a minute, here is God.” Now in the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God. So we put this little sign outside that
circle. Then you say, “And the Word was God.” Now you’ve got the
circle coming over here, enveloping this little thing outside the
circle. See? It wouldn’t be that way. In the beginning was the Word.
Now remember that is the full expression. That means there is the full
expression there. If that is God, Elohim, then that is everything wound
up in whatever expression is there, that is absolutely a hundred percent
God. 

42.	Now it says that one was with God. Now let me ask you something, is
there any difference between the Scripture that tells us that God is
life, the Spirit is life? The living God. And turning around and saying,


(4)	In him was life; 

	Now if it’s living and in that living thing is life, it’s trying to
tell you something! Well it does! It says, 

(4)	…and the life was the light of men.. 

	What is the light of men? Paul tells you! If you can’t see God in
nature, you’re a complete idiot! The Psalmist said, “The fool has
said in his heart there is no God.” 

	So then the same thing could hold with this! In Him, in the beginning
was the Word, and the Word was with God! It’s telling you not only
there is the fullness of the entirety, but the positivity of conception
to bring it out is there! Follow what I’m saying? And the Word was
God. Other words go on back before there’s a speck of light. There’s
nothing, not one atom. What happens? Movement, a light begins to form.
And it tells you that that absolutely, as the Son of God, God giving
birth! 

43.	Now Bro. Branham says the first creation was God. Well God wasn’t
created. So what’s he trying to tell you in my books – I don’t
know I could be wrong. But I’m just looking at it – you ask the
questions – I’m trying to look at it with you. Knowing there’s
only one God! But whatever comes out of Him essentially, and if it has
life, is genetically and generically God species! 

	I had two sons and I can tell you flat, neither one is I, and neither
one is me. And I is neither they. Yet we is. Father and son are two
different things entirely as per the minutes or the hour in which they
live! But according to the stream of life there is no difference!
Anymore than your eye is made up of several different parts; they’re
all cells, and they’re all part of your life, and they all got a job
to do, and that’s the only differentiation there is, in position. 

44.	Do you follow what I’m saying? I don’t know if you are or not,
doesn’t make that much difference. But I’ve said it anyway. 

(1)	In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word
was God. 

	In other words – now what does it go on to say? Let’s go back and
see if I’m even anywhere near the thing.

The same was in the beginning with God.

	Now there you are; the same was in the beginning. He’s talking about
a beginning! And what’s this beginning going to go to? It’s going to
go to the fact of this One, God, that becomes a Logos – He’s Logos,
can manifest and does it – goes into a human body already provided.
And the provision according to Scripture is through the Son, but God’s
the Author of it. 

	Now watch:

All things were made by him; without him was not any thing made that was
made. 

	It tells you right there. You’re looking now at that which is
invisible being turned to the visible! When there was nothing there
except God. Now there’s something there. Now watch.

In him was life; 

45.	Oh come on. Pbbt. This thing has no life in it. Look at Lee Vayle.
I’m living. But also within me is life. I’ve proved it, we have
children. So there it is. Ability to manifest. I can’t create, but I
can form, I can model, I can use, I can build, I can erect, I can do a
lot of things! Thereby proving my intrinsic nature has to do with
something out here! That’s the way God does it. 

	Now, 

(4)	…the life was the light of men. (Tells you.)

And the light shine(s) in darkness; the darkness (doesn’t get it.)

	And if you don’t believe that’s true, how come Cain killed his
brother? I don’t care what nature does, I don’t care what God does,
or anything else does, I don’t care what manifests. If you are brute
beasts, you can’t get it! There’s only one thing you go to, that is
instinct! And with your instinct, the thing that was with Cain was with
his father, pride. So therefore he got in a mess. 

	“Is it correct in saying the Logos isn’t eternal but the life
within it is?” 

	That’s a fairly correct statement on the grounds that we talk about
roles. But what you’re looking at the fact is that the Logos actually
contains the materiality or the true substance of the thought. And so
whatever role or position and all is taken, it depends on that life. 

46.	And so when we do in the Scripture here, you cannot take it away
from what it says in Scripture: “In the beginning was the Word, the
Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God, the same thing
with God.” He’s telling you frankly there that this God is
personally related to His creation, and all down the line, created into
salvation and the whole thing. So that’s about as good as I can do
there, and maybe I’m not doing too good.

	“Is God both male and female?” Absolutely not. I realize that there
are theologians that say the spirit of God’s in the feminine. The
prophet of God said, “No way.” 

	“One of facts of our faith is that there is one God and He had a Son
who had a beginning. We see the Son Jesus Christ in the Millennium, New
Jerusalem, even though he Christ is the Son, there must be a part of him
that is eternal.”

	Well the fact of the matter is that you find that, absolutely I’ve
been into it time after time; I take you right to the Book of Hebrews.
The Book of Hebrews tells you in the first chapter, “God spoken in His
Son by whom He made the worlds,” takes him right back to the beginning
of creation. “Who being the outraying of his glory, the express image
of his person, of his substance.” Son of God. 

	Jesus himself was made of eternal substance, but he, in his own
recognition as an individual, he before that time had no recollection.
All he could say is “Restore the glory I had with You. I came out of
You, I’m going back.” But he said, “Restore the glory.” Another
part of restoring the glory is the fact that “I’ve been a man all
this time, get me out of here.” Right. Get back to it. That’s what I
look in that particular area. 

47.	“Your message Facts of Faith #2 emphasized the need for one to
express the infallibility of Bro. Branham. Is my understanding of the
statement correct? Given that the Bible declares all men to have been
shaped in iniquity, born in sin, coming forth speaking lies, in need of
a Savior, no man save Christ Jesus satisfies the complete definition of
fallibility, especially incapable of error. Bro. Branham himself stated
that the Holy Spirit corrected some of his previous understanding in
Seven Seals. Therefore implicit in your statement is the vindicated
truth that not since the days of the apostle Paul has the infallible God
indwelt a man in the manner in which he indwelt Bro. Branham.”
That’s absolutely true. “And the anointed words coming from Bro.
Branham’s lips indeed were infallible and God to us.” Sure. “These
truths thus coming forth from Bro. Branham are then explicitly the
additional definition of infallible, incapable of error in defining
doctrines touching faith.” 

	Well I wouldn’t use that last statement quite that way. These truths
thus coming forth through Bro. Branham are then explicitly the
additional definition – no, I would not say additional definition; I
would say present day manifestation. Follow me? Not additional. Not
additional at all. It’s what it is. Nothing added, nothing taken, this
is how it works. Bro. Branham, being vindicated, previous to speaking,
proves the he has the right to speak and those that don’t hear die for
it. 

48.	Now if that didn’t happen in the days of Noah, you tell me what
did. And he wasn’t there with the fishing net and the gangplank,
trying to get them in. And Bro. Branham said, “I don’t pray for
America anymore.” 

	And you say, “Oh Bro. Branham, what an uncouth thing.” 

	Well do you want to pray for this homosexual geezer here? Well you
could pray and say, “God change that man, because he’s terrible,
terrible, what he’s doing to others.” Maybe he’s a pharaoh. I
don’t know. Bro. Branham didn’t pray for America. And he condemned
this. 

	“Now since the early church went to a platform rather than stay on
the foundation that was laid, it is I take it safe to say that the same
can and will and has happened today, there must be earmarks of this
moving off the foundation. Is it politics and the politics mainly
meaning usurping of authority and can you give us more definition of the
two, foundation and platform?”

49.	Well to being with its very true what you said here, but we’ll
look at from the idea, but Bro. Branham did not say that. Bro. Branham
said that from 33.5AD till about 53AD, when the Spirit of God moved Paul
to go absolutely irrevocably to the Gentiles and he left Israel, now
completely blinded to their own folly, which was proven in 1970 when the
city was completely destroyed, thousands and thousands of people were
killed until the blood ran like water in the streets, and so on and so
forth, that that was a platform which was built. And you’ll notice
that I mention in connection with that the church of Rome! That Paul
vindicates himself to the Roman church in the 15th chapter! And as far
as we know he did get to Rome. As far as we know we don’t know that he
got to Rome. I don’t know that it can be proven. I’d like to look in
my history and find out, if there’s any such thing as a …?... like
…?... to prove it. …?... 

	But in speaking to the church at Rome, remember the two Jewish people
that went there established a church which was truly Pentecostal in
nature, because Paul had not yet come on the scene. And when they
were… the Jews were exiled and completely banished from Rome, the
little handful of Gentiles – not Jews now, Gentiles – went into
idolatry! 

	Such idolatry that Polycarp felt so terrible about, many, many too
years old to even go on the road, he went down on his way to Rome. And
as he went there, a voice of heaven thundered his ears, “Ephraim has
joined to his idols, leave him alone!”  But he went there anyway and
he could do nothing! 

50.	Now Paul went to Ephesus! They had a platform! He said, “Unto what
we’re you baptized?” 

	Said, “Under John’s baptism.” 

	“Why,” he said, “John’s baptism won’t do. Have you heard
about the baptism with the Holy Ghost?”  

	“Why we don’t even know if there is a Holy Ghost!”  

	He said, “Let me tell you.” They went from a platform that wasn’t
even the platform of Pentecost – right? Wasn’t even a platform at
that time – right to a foundation.

	Now so I was telling you that if Rome was built upon a foundation –
not a foundation but a platform – a platform is a temporary structure.
And it’s sort of like the bema. It’s a place you get up and you can
orate. You can talk to people. You know what I mean. So it’s
politicized, if you want to use the word. Not Christianized,
politicized. 

	And that’s what Rome has always been built on. And they claim Peter
as the first pope and Peter never had the revelation! I don’t care
what anybody says. He went right to Jerusalem, having consorted with the
Gentiles, had a vision from God, and the vision was not doctrinal, it
was simply correctional. “Don’t call anything common or unclean
which I have cleansed, and if I am cleansing some Gentiles, you’ve got
to take them in,” and that’s what Israel always did, they kept
converts and proselytes. 

	So this was no big deal. Now not baptizing in water, showing you’re
dead to the old Gentile life, and risen to the new Jewish life or the
Israel life. You’re baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ, showing you
are now a follower of the Nazarene, which is the Messiah.

51.	So all right, Peter stands up and he completely naïve to what is
going to happen, he listens to people like saying, “Well you know,
bless God, I was with Jesus. In fact I think James was the brother of
Jesus, I think he’s that guy, “Well I’m his brother, you know, and
blah, blah, blah.”” 	

	So he said, “Okay, I think circumcision is the way to go.” 

	Now he convinced a man of Barnabas’ stature – that would be a
Gentile – to go that way. 

	Now Paul saw right there what was happening, withstood Peter to his
face, and Peter did not have the revelation! You can find in the Book of
Galatians that Paul had the revelation on circumcision! But Peter
didn’t really have a clue. But being full of the Holy Ghost he could
be taught. And that’s where he was. So therefore that is a platform. 

52.	Now let’s look at things to begin with. How much time we got? Well
let’s see if we can do it in five minutes. All right, go back to the
very Garden of Eden. What do you got? You got man and woman in here, and
say, “Replenish the earth, replenish the whole earth and come on up
and come on up.”

	 Now here’s the Tree of Life, of the knowledge of good and evil.
Okay, we know that Christ was that Tree of Life. So you’ve got Christ
the Tree of Life in this particular area here. Now they are cut off from
coming up at this very particular place. 

53.	Okay, now, God now turns – you’ve got what you call innocence
has gone out. You’ve got what you call conscience. Bro. Branham
didn’t believe that, I don’t either, but that’s what the
theologians say. Now you’ve got that. Now you’ve got judges, human
government, and you’re coming up. Now but you’re all the time
you’re looking for Messiah! 

	Now the platform was laid – I beg your pardon – the foundation for
Messiah was laid in the Garden of Eden, the Son, the seed of the woman
is going to bruise the serpent’s head. So therefore the Kingdom will
yet come in at a certain time when Satan is bruised and completely
deposed and the seed of the woman will have the priority. And the seed
of the woman is Christ. So you are heading for Headship! The Head of the
whole human race is going to be a man! Christ Jesus. Under God. Which is
exactly what we’re looking at. The original only begotten Son of God,
now with that human form. 

54.	So therefore we’re right back to where it was in the Garden of
Eden, the very Son of God in human form, God used to be in him, He left
him in the Garden of Eden. Do you see what I’m talking about? 

	So all right, we’ve got the whole picture at this particular point.
Now what I’m trying to drive at is this: God said to Abraham, “You
are going to have a son by Sarah.” 

	And Sarah says, “It ain’t going to work, here’s Hagar.” 

	So Abraham, like any man, shouldn’t have done it. Bro. Branham said,
“God told Sarah to tell him.” Well maybe he knows something I
don’t know. But I still can’t see anybody telling anybody to do
opposite to what God said. But it wasn’t Abraham; he was just smart
enough to get in the act. That’s fine, he said, “Okay by you, so
it’s sure okay by me. No problem.” But God said still by Sarah.
We’re still pointing to the one man. And now we get to David. And now
it’s going to come by David. Now we get to the man, which is born,
which is what? Headstone! Right? Headstone. And what did they, they kill
him. Right? 

	Now at the same time the Headstone was to be the Cornerstone! Because
the builder set it, not the cornerstone. What am I talking about? Israel
established on the foundation of Messiah and they ruling the entire
universe! 

55.	Now I want to ask you a question. How many corners does have a
pyramid have? Russ? How many? Five. Grace. It’s got four, got five
corners. And let me tell you something, you can put it any way you want,
but corners are corners. 

	Now the Chief, the Capstone that was given Israel, they killed. And He
was to be their Cornerstone, which the Psalms and Isaiah tells you, that
the builders put it not, same as 1 Peter in there, they put it in not.
They were to build then at this time the complete kingdom. But Daniel
saw they weren’t going to do it. So the Capstone, which was to lead
them into the pyramid, building the foundation at that time, and coming
up under Him, they killed Him, so He becomes the Cornerstone of a new
building! 

	So what I’m trying to get to you this is this: when Bro. Branham used
the word ‘platform’, I think he was using the term ‘juncture’!
More than platform. But you see, because they rejected the Cornerstone
that was destined to Israel, he allowed what Bro. Branham called was a
platform, which during that term of that seventeen years, or fifteen and
a half years, whatever it was, positively rejected the Capstone, which
the Gentiles take as their Cornerstone, so the very best you can say is
that era was a platform! 

56.	Now I’ll prove it to you. We go to 1 Corinthians. You got another
tape? Put it on, so you have an overlap there, because I’m not going
to take a long time, but I want to finish this. 

	Now Paul the apostle starts out in 1 Corinthians 1 by upbraiding the
people, because they’re doing the very same thing that was done at the
time they could have crossed over into the promised land, and it looks
like they’re in for a long time of wandering, because they’re taking
political issues by making men leaders instead of Christ. Then in the
2nd chapter he tells them he is vindicated to tell them what he’s
telling them! He said, “You Gentiles are going to do the same stupid
thing the Israelites did.” Now, he said, “Brethren, when I came to
you I could not speak unto you except as carnal, you’re divided.”
But notice in verse 9, [1 Corinthians 3:]

(9)	…we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, ye
are God’s building.

	In other words, you are both the pyramid and the land. His farming. 

According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise
masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon.
But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus
Christ.

57.	Now he said, “I laid it. I’m the one that did it! I’m
responsible; I literally sowed Christ. I had the seed, I had the Word, I
had everything.”

Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones,
wood, hay, stubble;

Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it,
because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every
man’s work of what sort it is.

	Listen, what fire came down from heaven? 2 Thessalonians! Who came down
in it? God came down! The Judge! It’s already manifested. Now let’s
keep reading. 

(15)	If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he
himself saved; yet so as by fire. 

	Now come on, that’s not the world burning up at Armeggedon, or at the
White Throne. Not in my books it isn’t, I don’t see it. He’s
telling you what’s going on here. Now he tells you that at the end
time there is a process of purging! 

	Now Paul said, “He’s going to judge the world by my gospel.” 

58.	Hold your finger in there and go back to 2 Thessalonians, you begin
to follow what I’m saying. 1:7.

(7)	And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord shall be
revealed from heaven with his mighty (messengers), 

(8)	In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, that
obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

(9)	Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence
of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

(10)	When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and be admired in
them…

	In other words, they’ll never be able to turn to God again. When He
comes and separates the Bride, it’s over! I don’t care how they
pray, I don’t care whom they pray. They’re finished! Come on! It’s
gone. 

	Now keep reading.

(10)	When he shall… be glorified in his saints, and… admired in all
them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that
day. (Not this day, that day. See?)

	In other words – and this is the same as Hebrews! By the Word He
judges the thoughts and intents of men’s hearts. The judgment has gone
on, this is White Throne! And the burning is simply the ultimate, the
climax of what is going on! You can’t change the clock and change
time. Now you… I won’t say what I was going to say. It will be
depressing.

59.	Now listen, [1 Corinthians 3]

(15)	If any man’s work(s)… 

	Now we’re talked about what’s built on the foundation. At the time
of Hebrews 12 everything that can be shaken is shaken down! Why? Because
all you got to do is hit the foundation, bang goes the building! Right?
That’s all there is to it. So these people here have nothing but wood,
hay and stubble, which are works. According to what Paul is saying. 

	Now, 

(16)	Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and the Spirit of God
dwell(s) in you? 

(17)	If any man (destroy) the temple of God, him shall God destroy;

60.	Now take that over to Hebrews! It’s the church! He’s building as
His Own Builder and Owner. Not as Moses, the servant now, and he said, 

(11)	…other foundation can no man lay than that that is laid, which is
(Christ) Jesus. (And how are you going to put gold and silver and
precious stones there?) 

	Word added to Word! The Bride’s all Word! Everything’s being burnt
down, everything is judged, it’s over, and people stand around, “Oh
my, my, great things coming, great things coming, oh yes, yes, yes.”

	They’re false people anointed. I get their magazines! Oh everything
is opposite to the anointed prophet of God! Oh they know better,
hallelujah. Why? “Because we’re the sweet, humble people, bless
God.” You know what they are? Dupes of Satan. Chaff. That took their
life from the Creator. 

	That’s why the Bible said, “The master’s ass knoweth the crib.
And the birds of the air know the path and their nest, but My people
don’t know anything.” See? 

61.	Now God speaking to Israel, He said, “When I planted you, started
to make you My pyramid, My building,” He said, “I went in there as
the Master Builder, a Farmer.” That’s the Book of Isaiah, I think it
is, not sure now, I think its Isaiah. And in there He says, He says,
“Look,” He said, “I picked up all the rocks, I bulldozed out all
the junk and the things in there that would hurt. I built the soil
up.” He said, “I did a wonderful job, and I put in actual sweet
fruit bearing vines.” But He said, “When I came to get the fruit it
was so sour ain’t nobody could use it.” Now He said, “What will I
do with it?” “Why,” He said, “I’ll destroy it.” 

	This is what you see in Scripture all the time. You see foundations
being laid, the people getting off of them. See? And as they get off of
them, they are no longer a part and parcel of the church, because the
Bible said, “I will make you a pillar in the temple of my God,” and
the pillar goes right from the base to the top! Of which the flange and
the Capstone sit upon. There is no difference! And in forsaking the
foundation it is true they go to a platform! 

62.	Now let’s talk about platforms and foundations. The Catholic
church, whether it wanted to or not, became a platform for Luther to
begin to build a foundation. Read it right in your Bible. The Lutherans
went potty, they went right back to Catholicism. The Wesleyans came on
and built on the foundation. They went off and went back. The
Pentecostals built on the foundation. They went off. And William Branham
came on the scene, the prophet of the former rain in the time of the
latter rain, and he built right on that foundation, and as it did it
formed the neck or the flange! So that we are a people, a part of the
body, but hooked right onto the Capstone. And Bro. Branham said it’s
got to be so perfect that the Head will fit right onto it. And there’s
no way it can be done, except you’ve got that absolute perfect Word.
Because it’s all Word. So therefore you see what came down here. 

63.	Now, 

(18)	Let no man deceive (you)… 

	No, it says here, 

If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; 

	Do you think for one minute that those false prophets and false
teachers are going to get away with it? They haven’t got a prayer! And
at the end time they’re natural brute beasts like this dog here,
because he is a dog. “Oh,” he says, “I want to say it has helped
me, like many people,” he said, “this marvelous gift.” 

	Same reason they tell me they don’t want red-headed priests in the
congregation, because then a dark-headed woman having a red-headed baby
would look pretty rough for the priest, wouldn’t it? This is your
birth control. Your godly men staying away from women. I know godly men
that never came near a woman. You talk about filth. 

64.	Listen, 

Let no man deceive (you). If any man among you seemeth to be wise in
this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 

	And Paul said, “We have not the wisdom of this world.” He’s
hitting this church and hitting them hard, Word, Word, Word.

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written,
He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 

…again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.


Therefore let no many glory in men. For all things are yours;

Whether Paul, Apollos… or the world, or life, or death… (and so on.)

And ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s.

	Right on down the line. So you can see what we’re talking about here
when we talk about this platform and we talk about a foundation. 

65.	Now coming up Bro. Branham said there were Seven Church Ages in
Israel. I can’t follow them, because I don’t know what he’s
talking about. He says there’s foolish virgin that came in the Exodus;
I think I found them in Deuteronomy. I wouldn’t swear I’m right, but
I believe I’m right. Seven Church Ages, I don’t know. But every time
you see, there has got to be something from God that comes, and every
time it comes, it becomes that Cornerstone or that foundation that men
must build on. 

	Now our foundation absolutely goes back to Paul. You cannot deny,
whatever the juncture was, Israel went right back to it. Idolatry, right
back to it. And everybody that ever leaves the foundation goes exactly
back where he came from, as Bro. Branham put it so pithily, when he
said, “Your chicken or a rabbit gets out of the pen, what’s it do?
It begins to look for the hole it came out of, to get back in again.” 

66.	What do the people in this Message do? They want to go back to
tongues, interpretation, they want to go back to emotion, everything
else, when my Bible said that the baptism with the Holy Ghost does not
come with any sign of any evidence of emotion and so on. If He doesn’t
come that way, then tell me, does He now burst into it? Does He now
conduct Himself different? 

	You can’t go any different, say, “We got an evidence in our church,
bless God.” The only evidence you’ve got is this: do you really
believe that Word? Are you honestly sold on the understanding of Paul?
The foundation has been laid by vindication and that foundation is
Christ that Word. Because you see, the world is going to be judged the
gospel, the world is going be judged by Christ, and it’s going to be
judged by Paul’s Christ and Paul’s gospel! And that was a hundred
percent by revelation. And when he …?... it out with those that ate
with him and slept with him and talked with him and heard him after the
resurrection, they couldn’t lay a finger on him, but all they could
say like Peter, “Our beloved Paul says things that are hard to be
understood, don’t wrest them.” Now that’s very nice for Peter to
say that. How come he was so smart to wrest the Word of God over Judaism
and circumcision? Well poor Peter didn’t know. He didn’t know. 

67.	I’m going to tell you, there’s a lot of preachers don’t know
either. I’m not claiming I’m the guy that knows, because that would
be a lie if you think I’m saying that. There’s a lot of guys think
they know, and they might not be in this Message, or outside the
Message, if God knows where they’re at in this world; they think they
know but they don’t know. And they come up against the Pillar of Fire
and say, “Well now, you know, he really made a mistake, you know,
after all these great writers said so and so.” And they haven’t got
one bit of…

	I wish these guys that talked that way would investigate these guys’
lives that talk so nice. They’d likely come up with a Calvin that had
a guy burnt at the stake. These other guys come up with their
theologians who were full of adultery and everything else, multiple
marriages and God knows what. But I tell you, if their lives aren’t,
they’re full of one thing, they’re full of blasphemy and unbelief.
Yeah. 

68.	Peter said the day would come they’d say no to the Lord. “I
stand at the door and knock. If any man hear my voice, open the door.”


	James said, “Behold,” that the time when the laborers defrauded his
hire and all these companies buy up other companies, everybody’s put
out of work, the Judge is at the door! Who’s at the door knocking? The
Judge! How’d He get down? Pillar of Fire! Mighty angels brought Him
down. What’s gone on? The separation! White Throne in progress. And
everybody, “Well you know, this business of the Presence, you know,
it’s just a doctrine, it’s just a doctrine.” 

	You wonder why I get mad and I get sneering and I get critical, I
get… well I like bitter, I’m not bitter, fap. They want to give me a
steak dinner, I might – well I don’t think I’d even bother myself.
What fellowship hath disbelief with belief? How can one man sit and talk
with another man when you believe all the Word and the other guy
doesn’t? I’ll tell you, you’re going to have one guy doing all the
talking or it’s just an argument. What’s it worth? Live or die, sink
or swim. See you can’t get away from it. There’s no way you can’t
get away from it. So let’s rise. You can get away from me, but you
can’t get away from the truth if it’s in your heart.

	Heavenly Father, we thank You again for the time we have to spend
together Lord. We appreciate Your goodness and grace. I pray Lord that
nothing has been said that is wrong and off the Word Lord. I always been
directed to it Father, you know that I don’t know, I just try my best
standing here, from what the prophet said, knowing that I cannot take
one word and throw away another, I have got to stay with what he said,
regardless of how and when he said it Lord. It will it all come together
some day, I know that for sure, because you just don’t do things Lord
this way and then leave this thing up for grabs or something which is
ridiculous, I can’t believe that for one minute. 

	We believe there’s evidence here Lord, even the great day is coming
upon us when the seeds of Armageddon have been sown, and everybody can
see what a small thing it will be, everybody come against Israel, it
will be nothing to it. All they got to do is say, “We don’t want to
belong to you, we don’t want to be part of you,” and the whole vast
armies of the earth represented will come up there. 

	But You’ll come Lord, come against the beast, that’s already said
he’s got his vision, he’s got his sign, and going to have more
signs, that You’re behind him, or somebody is going to be on that
papal throne. I don’t know Lord, but You do. And Father God in heaven
we believe that You’re able to give us strength today Lord, to put
everything out of our hearts and minds but this Word. And not stand here
as savages, no, they’ll think we are, say, “You’re crazy or beside
yourself.” But stand here Lord with the knowledge of the vengeance of
God in our midst, far beyond what Paul knew, because this is the end
time. Standing here Lord with the inner man, clothed with that inner man
himself, souls lit afire, Lord. All these things can happen, we don’t
know. But God there’s going to be a people standing here, as Bro.
Branham said, “If we’re not Bride, there’s a Bride out there
somewhere, and by the grace of God we won’t stand in her way.” 

	Help us Lord to be with that spirit, the strength being in you, strong
for you Lord, the Word of Your grace in this hour and strong for each
other. Not given up to these things Lord that are so easily done,
heedlessly, foolishly, but measure our ways, and see that we’re going
in the right direction, testing the wind, getting on target, not
bumbling, but directed, which direction we have by the grace of God
today, no one needs to fool himself, not for one minute. 

	Help us Lord to get right in accord by the Holy Spirit, the grace of
our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God shed abroad in our hearts by the
life within the Word, until the sweet Spirit of Christ sweeping among
us, the sick are healed, Lord. Absolutely signs follow the Word, we’ve
had the signs before the Word, we know it’s true. Help us Lord to be
now that well balanced, rounded off church, putting everything in divine
order as You are here to do it. Help us to trust You to see it done,
have faith O God, to be living partners with You. We ask these mercies,
in Jesus’ Name, for Your glory. Amen.

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