Questions Answered 

        Bro. Lee Vayle - February 12, 1978

	Shall we just pray:

	Again Lord Jesus, we ask you to be with us at this time, especially,
Lord, we know that Your ever present help in time of trouble, and these
questions signify certain troubles of mind and heart, the want to know
things. And I know, Lord, I don’t have an answer, but You do have the
answer, and I pray that You'll help us now is such a way to bring to our
memories those things we ought to know. So, guide and direct us now in
our mediations, we'll be careful to give You the praise in Jesus' Name. 
Amen. You may be seated.

1.	Now, I'll just take these questions as they come here, and if I can't
answer I'll be honest enough to tell you. Many times, my memory is just
not good enough to draw on as to what Bro. Branham said exactly. So,
I'll just have to tell you that too.

	Now, I spent a fine time as far as I've been concerned visiting with
you, enjoyed myself, and always happy to be here. And to always have
lots of freedom, and I certainly do appreciate that very, very much. And
trust we'll be together again sometime, I don't know when, but there's
always something worked out somewhere down the line.

	And I'm just going to make mention this morning's message that I
realized that some might wonder how we're going to do these things.
Well, the only way you can do it is by just simply forming some type of
a plan and doing it. Like I mentioned in the days of Wesley they had
their little cells that they all went to, and they'd examine each other,
and sort of probe each other. Well, we don't do that, but you can always
start in your homes by discussing what was brought to your attention
this morning, determining that you'll go about doing it, and the whole
family get in on it. And you'll have to make a vow of course, that even
if you do get upset and kind of lose your temper that you'll still do
what you're supposed to do.

 	You got to start somewhere really if it's going to be done. There's
one thing about it that… there's not much time left anyway, if we're
going to be proficient in certain things, we have to be expend energy
and time on it now with a full heart to do it. So, begin to look at
light, the life in the light as we try to describe this morning and I'm
sure the Lord will bless you.

2.	Now, we'll just take these as I say as they come, the first question
is:

      [ Question 1:]

		"Where would you draw the line in sports and games? Would it be 				
wrong to invest in all the hockey equipment just to play hockey, or 				
basketball playing with worldly people, or whatever?"

	Well, now I'll tell you I take kind of a dim view myself of getting too
deeply involved in sports, but, I recognize that children must have
something to do. And if you don't give them something to do whereby
they're going to invest their energies, they’ll find something to do
that you won't happy about.

	Now, years ago of course when, (this even before my time) so I'm not
talking about even my day. They used to have to work so hard that their
whole time was expended upon making a living. And even little kids had
to do it. Well, your problem was solved, they were too busy doing good
work to get into trouble. But you start taking away from children their
outlets in the none harmful things just a sure as you're alive they'll
get into bad things. Now, you got to be prepared for that. And you say,
"Would it be wrong to invest in hockey?" Well, it all depends how rough
you're going to play. Now, if you want to get professional like, you'd
have to have some fair equipment. And of course, if you played like I
did, you roll up a magazine for a shin pad, a shin guard, and put it in
a tall sock, and you'd mess around and you do your best with a hockey
stick that wasn't made out of fiber-glass. I don't know, we had the kind
that broke. When they broke, we just played with the stub. Well, if you
just have a good time amongst yourselves playing for fun like, I think
that's about maybe as far as it ought to go. 

3.	With basketball, you can easy put up a little rim in the back yard
and some kids come in and play. And I wouldn't kick the worldly kids
out, I just make sure they didn't act too worldly. Because there's got
to be an outlet. So, I think moderation would be the attitude here, but
I would never, ever try take from anybody the outlet in sports, hunting,
fishing and doing things that have a recreational possibility. Because
it's certainly better than sitting around playing old-maid, get some
kind of a card game, or even a lotto, or something like that.

	I believe in activity, but it must be directed, and it must be played
down, and it can only be at the right place at the right time. Never
over do anything, but… I simply can't see giving up everything. I just
can't do it. You’ve got to have some outlet, and so make it a good
one. That's a far as I can tell you.

4.    [Question 2:]

		"Is it out of order with the prophet or any other person other than 		
		ministers to pray over the communion? And what is the proper way 				
to take it, and who serves it and so forth?"

	Well, I don't find it wrong for ministers, or elders, or anybody
officiating, to pray over the communion. I don't know, just do what
you're doing here. You're doing it a certain way, it's bound to be
alright. Because there's nothing set down that I know of that's got to
be iron-clad. As far as I know church order, I can't remember anything
that Bro. Branham said about anyone certain person doing it. I would
just figure that those who were serving it would have a part in it. And
I don't know that there's any special way to do it. Some people sit in
their seats, partake, others come up. It would all depend on which
worked the best for you.

	Now, Bro. Branham's church of course the deacons stood there as far as
I know, he used the deacons. Because I wasn't familiar with who all was
in authority in the church, that is elected. And they would stand there,
and Bro. Branham just stood back, he himself was a part of it, but he
stood back. The others would pass the bread, or hold the bread there and
you come by and take the wine. It was not a ceremony, you know,
something you had to make in a certain pattern. Some people use many
cups, some use one cup, and I believe that Bro. Branham’s church used
to use the one cup, and then somebody gave them communion sets, so they
used it. 

5.	I would say that typically it would be better to have one cup, or not
everybody have an individual to be more in line with the type. And from
what I understand was the more proper way to do it. But I tell you, I
don't think we need to worry too much about some of these things. Like
getting into a ritual, the thing to do is to do it with prayer, and
having gotten your own life straighten up, made things right with people
the best you possibly can. And no one should be withheld…the cup
should be withheld from anybody except in gross immoral sin as Bro.
Branham said.

	And if I wanted to pattern my church, I'd do like Bro. Branham did. I
would just have the elders serve, the people come forward, (you know)
unless it became unruly. Bro. Branham's church was kind of tight. He
didn't have many aisles, yet the people seemed to get by fine.

6.	Now, they washed feet of course at the end of the service. And in the
older days when the building was so tiny, he just dismissed the people
after communion. So, they could go in, women a little tiny cubical, and
men maybe four people at a time. And then as soon as the people washed,
then you just went on home.

	And so, sometimes it's a matter of how you have to do it for just to
keep a minimum of confusion, or keep an order. I would imagine what
you're doing is fine. I would imagine you're doing pretty well with the
tabernacle did. Because I know different ones where there to see it
done, and you just follow that principle, just be fine.

7.   [Question 3:]   

		"Could you tell us what your thoughts are as concerning young 					
people's meetings?"

	Forget it, have a thing to do with it. Sunday schools and young
people's meetings have always been a headache, they cause problems. When
did you ever separate the people? Now, if I'm tramping on anybody's
toes, forgive me. You asked it. Invited to answer it. I would have
nothing to do with it, period.  (Uh, uh) Keep your families together,
have your own. [some says something, Bro. Vayle says] Thank you. [Bro.
Vayle softly chuckles] 

8.    [Question 4:]

		"Bro. Branham had the question, answer meetings to find out what was
on the 				people's minds. (He did) Would this apply to the pastor's a
good idea for his 				local group today to find out how his sheep are
thinking?" 

	Good idea. However, that is not the only thing today. It is to find out
what's on their minds in this respect, that they've been reading and
hearing tapes, and hearing preaching, and many times it doesn't come
across in a clear way. Or many times it sounds like there's a conflict.
So, certainly it's good to have question and answers in order to help
you. I would certainly agree with that.

9.     [Question 5:]

		"Am I wrong when I say that I believe Acts 5:5 must repeat…(What's
that, 				Ananias and Sapphira? Now, let's take a look and find out.
Yep!) In that 					the people would not dare to come into the place of
worship with things 				and sin in their life for fear of God judging
them?"

	Well, all I know is that Bro. Branham said this would repeat. How or
under what conditions,    I am not able to tell you. I'd have to go back
and try to find the context of when he said it would repeat. I just
believe it would repeat, or will repeat. And I believe that God will do
it only in the exact precise case that is necessary. I would just would
have to leave it all with the Lord. I just can't answer further than
that. Yes, it would repeat, but I wouldn't try to tell you conditions. I
could tell you if I felt a little bit vindictive about how some people
believe that. But I'm not going to say anything.

10.      [Question 6:]

		"When Bro. Branham said you can't separate the Message and the 				
messenger, would this be spiritually, since now we do not have the 				
man, but we have the voice and the Message?"

	Well, you see, Bro. Branham based message and messenger on the Word
from the former rain, the 'moreh', which is 'teacher or teaching'. And
you cannot separate the messenger from the message. Because if he's a
messenger, he has a message. If he has a message, he is a messenger. And
the message and the messenger is one and the same, because he is
standing for what he says. So therefore, they are the same and it's
spiritual, sure. On the grounds that it's the Word of the Lord. And then
remember, also that the messenger of this hour, that's the Elijah, not
William Branham, but the Elijah is the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, not a
man, God, but it comes by a prophet. 

	And so therefore, you couldn't separate the Elijah from the Word,
because He is the Word. Now, we're speaking in terms of Christ now mind
you, and not in terms of simply Bro. Branham. But Bro. Branham being
Elijah, he would be the one who would bring us by Divine revelation that
Word. And you can't separate that, because nobody else could do it. So,
you simply can't separate them in that respect.

11.	Now, certainly we don't have Bro. Branham here, but we do have the
Word. The Word stored up on the tapes. The food stored up, so there is
no problem. Our major problem is, as I've been trying to show you all
this week that it's not that people don't believe the Word, the fussing
lies in how they believe It. And since nobody is vindicated, but he
said, "Shut up and be happy somebody's believing."  See, but you know
how it is, and we better start doing something about it. Because it's
not enough to just shrug it off, there's a spirit involved in this
thing.

	And when anybody attempts to say, "I have it," to me it's literally
antichrist spirit. To the exclusion of others. Now, if you believe
you've got It, so you should. It's not only your privilege and
prerogative, you ought to be strong in what you believe. But you can't
be to the place where you say, "Well, this fellow's out, because he
doesn't believe like me."  And when you get that way, you're a
denominational antichrist.  Now it's going to be with you, I'm sorry if
I hurt your feelings, but I'm expressing what I believe. And I believe
if Bro. Branham were here he's have to say the very same thing. Because
look, this is gone to the place where it is not ridiculous anymore, it
is absolutely terrible. And somebody's got to start and do something
about it somewhere.

12.	So, the message and the messenger is the same. Like for instance:
what I am preaching is Lee Vayle.  I'm doing my best to follow the
prophet, but let's face it, I cannot say that my message is identical to
Bro. Branham's, I can't say that. And I cannot say I am preaching Bro.
Branham's Message from the stand point that I am not here to tell you
that I understand the way he understood when he said it. Because it took
me four and a half hours on one point, proving I didn't understand what
he was talking about. 

	So, there's no need for me to say that this is Lee Vayle and what he's
preaching is not the same thing, because it is. But I'm identified by
faith that I am trying to say what the prophet said. And that's about
all I can say.

13.     [Question 7:]

  		"Bro. Branham said, God separates people." (Well, the Word separates
				people, and God is the Word, certainly.) "Can any man claim
separation 					by another statement the prophet that you can't rise any
higher than 					your pastor?"  

	Well, now look, what do you mean by that? You're being picky, or are
you sincere? Now, you see there's a big difference when you ask me that
question. Because I think the cruelest blow is where people said, "Well,
he's not feeding me." 

	Now, I don't think that I'm extra dumb, extra unspiritual, extra
stupid. And I can go right behind a person that made that statement and
garner much from the person that said, "He's not feeding me." (Um?) Now,
I could name names, but it wouldn't mean a thing to you anyway, because
you wouldn't know them. But I've seen that very same thing pulled off.
And I wouldn't be in anybody's boots for any amount of money and made a
statement like that. So, if I'm a little rough on you now, I don't mean
to be. I'd have to know what's in your heart. 

14.	 Now, the thing is certainly you can't rise any higher than your
pastor on the grounds of the fact that the spirit of the pastor goes on
the people, what he says is what they're feeding on, his guidance and
outlook on morals and conduct, if you truly partake you will be in the
bracket that he is in. That is right, I believe that. I believe that
your welfare depends upon a pastor. But frankly, I've run across very,
very, very few, I don't know if I need any more than a couple of fingers
to even become critical concerning pastors. Because I've found them
dedicated and sincere. Although they aren't the world's greatest
preachers, but remember, the major work of a pastor is shepherding the
people. And that takes a lot of individual attention and care.

	So, if he's not the greatest evangelist, or the greatest teacher, the
greatest 'whatnot', you can be thankful that the person is very faithful
and honest and sincere. And isn't trying to take advantage of people,
but he's trying to serve the Lord God. And if he's doing that, I believe
that you won't have any trouble trying to rise. 

15.	Again I wonder, is this a statement that is blaming somebody,
because you're in the doldrums, or at a standstill.  Let me tell you
something: there isn't anybody can stop you from going ahead if you want
to go ahead. (See?) And I'm a little touchy for the pastor's sake on
this. I really am. Because I don't believe that many times the pastors
are getting a fair shake, when it comes to some of the things that have
been done. Now, the reason I'm saying this is not because of anything
here, I'm going back to my own area where I have seen things I'm simply
sorry about. And if I know anything about God and His way, I wouldn’t
want to be in certain people's boots. Because, what a person sows, he
reaps. 

	So, I'm a little maybe rough for then what this question demands, but
see, I get a little nervous when questions like this comes, because I'm
not Bro. Branham to read your heart. And I just don’t know what you've
got in your mind. And so I got to attack this every way I can, and I
think I've been fair on both sides to explain just what could be here in
the offing in order to help you. And I guess that's about enough.

 

 16.     [Question 8:]

	 	"I believe we're not living '78 the way we have been looking at our 	
			calendar." 

	You're not actually, you're living in 1985, if you want to worry about
a calendar. Because the calendar is seven years out, Bro. Branham said
so. And when a man wrote him and said, "Bro. Branham, how do you know
the calendar is seven years out?" And in big bold scrawl he wrote, "He
told me so."   So, it's 1985. Little problem? None at all. I wouldn't
care if it's 2005. It said, 

		[Question 9:]

		"Would I then be mocking if I say, I believe the Rapture will still
take 					place in '77?"   

	I wouldn't say it for a million dollars. Look, we're already into It.
You don’t need to worry what's coming down the road, you're still
looking down the road. Look at what's going on. We're one third in the
Rapture, and one half into the Resurrection. If we aren't, then Bro.
Branham told us a bunch of lies. He did not appear, He is not here. What
do you worry about a year for? 

	I told you the other day of course maybe the question came in before,
but look I was very confident the year we call '77 was going to go by.
And I told you why. Bro. Branham said, "If all           I could judge
this was Sodom and Gomorrah by marriage and divorce, I couldn't do it,
there's other factors involved."   

17.	Now, the same prophet said when a question came in, "Can we belong
to a union?" He said, "You have to, or you can't have a job. But we know
when to get out, it's when the church takes over."  The hasn't taken
place. In many things I'm looking at, so far as '77 is concerned, I have
no problem. Never did, it was the year I hopped we'd be gone, but if we
weren't gone, (unless we all done missed a year. Evidently there's a
couple from Africa went, couple from Australia, couple from Canada,
couple from the States. Maybe we're just sitting here and don't even
know it. Now, I don't believe that. I believe we're sitting here and do
know it. But nobody's gone.

	Now, I'm not the least worried about it, '78 goes by. I don't mind if
'79 goes by. Now, we've got nine planets lined up for 1982. Could it be
by the middle of this year, the tribulation will start? Could it be that
'82 will start it with a terrific breaking up of the earth crust and
all? I don't know. And I'm not interested in a '77. I'm interested in
me, and I don't know if I'm fit to go. If it isn't by grace, you don't
even bother looking for me. So, I wouldn't even worry about it, and
says, "Well, the prophet did not prophesy. He said, "I predict." 

18.  I know that people say, "But Bro. Vayle, he said over here,
'whenever did I ever predict that it didn't come to pass'?"  He was not
using that as a direct prophecy. Because the prophet also changes his
words around. But don't worry about '77 one little bit. It's gone. Thank
God it's gone. Thank God we're that much closer to what is going to take
place. And by the grace of God let's mature. No, I don't worry about
dates.

	Look, if you set your heart as a real believer on '77 didn't happen.
That's alright, because look, if you were really looking for it, you
were pressing in yourself to mature and to walk carefully. Not to
expedite the Rapture, but to "make your calling an election sure." [2
Pet. 1:10] But of course, if you're just fritting around on a date
you're going to be in trouble in '78 with me, '79 and '80. So, I hope
that helps you, I don't know, this has caused a lot of problems. I'm
just happy I don't have any problems. 

19.     [Question 10:] 

		"If is say Bro. Branham could say nothing outside of 'Thus saith the 	
			Lord', would I make him something other than human?" 

	Now, I'll buy that, I presume you mean that everything that Bro.
Branham said was 'Thus saith the Lord'. Well, if it is, then Bro.
Branham's taste and mine in looks so different, because he said, "Billy
Paul's son, (little Paul) was the ugliest baby he ever saw in his life."
And I thought he was the cutest little rascal ever I almost laid eyes
on. In fact, I'd say he's the spitting image of his grand-dad. Ha, ha,
ha, ha. And I thought Bro. Branham was as handsome as they came.

	Do you think it was 'Thus saith the Lord', when he kidded about my wife
doing the Church Age Book? Oh, I've got news for you, I did it, she
didn't. Sorry about that. I don't think you mean that though when you
said that. Bro. Branham had 'Thus saith the Lord'. And the fact of 'Thus
saith the Lord'…now see, I preached the meaning of 'Thus saith the
Lord' a meeting, (where did I preach it, Edmonton?) but didn't preach it
here did I?) Well, I'm not going to preach it here, I don't have time. 

20.	 But in there I take Jeremiah 27: beginning at 12 and reading right
through 28. And in there you will see the perfect picture of what 'Thus
saith the Lord' is. The man who says it and the things come to pass,
that is the man that God sent to tell you something, and what tells you
is: 'Thus saith the Lord' whether it's prefaced by 'Thus saith the Lord'
or not.

	His theology is a hundred percent the Word of God. Not his daily
conversation, such as (you know) I think your son ought to marry my
daughter. Oh, we're getting really naughty now. (Uhh?) Well, I got the
back bone to tell it. He casually said to one brother, he said, "You've
got a fine son, I've got a fine daughter."  Now, I think the rest of the
word was something like 'they ought', maybe they should get married or
something." So, the fellow held out and held out, they messed up
people's lives. As far as I know that the…well, I guess I won't go any
further. So then that would be telling things that aren't very nice to
tell. So, we just leave it at that. Was that "Thus saith the Lord'? 
It's not theology.

21.	You think it matters two cents to the Rapture who marries who in the
actual sense of the word? Somebody's got to marry somebody, somebody's
got to do this, that… No, we're dealing with the Word. The Bro.
Branham's theology, his doctrine, was absolutely the undisputable
confirmed pure Word of God, and the 'Thus saith the Lord' is what
established It. Many people say, "Well, if Bro. Branham didn't say,
'Thus saith the Lord' they don't believe it." I do believe it. He didn't
have to say 'Thus saith…' When I read in the books what he said
concerning the doctrine here in the Bible, It is 'Thus saith the Lord'.
I've got no problem. So, I hope that answers your question. (See?)
Because it isn't a matter whether Bro. Branham could say, "good
morning," or "good night," that was 'Thus saith the Lord', the 'Thus
saith the Lord' established him as the man that you had to listen to.
(See?)

	And what he said you had to have, because nothing outside of this
Message comes to light, or has life in It. Now, I can take that and
prove that by the Scripture. I wouldn't even have found It in the
Scripture if Bro. Branham hadn't had said so. But he said, "Once you see
this Message, that's all you'll see in the Word." 

	Now, thank you for those questions, I hope I didn't hurt your feelings,
because I believe you've got a good heart in writing these out here. But
you understand me up here. I don't know you. So, I got to look at every
angle, good, bad, indifferent, so that nobody can away (you know, at
least I hope) saying I haven't been as fair in covering as many facets
as I can.

22.	All right, 

		1 Corinthians 15:29.

		(29)	Else what (should) they do which are baptized for the dead, if
the 						dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?


		Now look, I don't know anybody. I think Bro. Branham did make a
statement on this someplace, but I can't remember where he said it, and
what he said. I'm sorry about that. There is something he said, but I
cannot recall. Perhaps just because my mind is not a good enough mind,
or because it didn't seem that important, so it stuck with me. But I'll
tell you, as far as I am concerned it's this: (this is Lee Vayle
talking) Paul here in the chapter of the Resurrection is telling the
people that the Resurrection is a foregone conclusion. And everything is
actually based upon they're being a resurrection as I taught on Friday
night to us back in the Garden of Eden, or the Millennium. (See?)

 	Now, Jesus Christ rose from the dead in a glorified body. Now if the
dead rise not, Jesus Christ does not have a glorified body. Then if He
doesn't have a glorified body and He's not raised, what is the use of
baptizing in His Name if He didn't rise? Now, that's about what I see
here. I'm sorry, I can't say what the prophet said, I know he said
something. But my understanding is simply this then, if Jesus didn't get
rised, and people don't rise, you're out there in some kind of an
ethereal creature, then Paul said, "What is the use of anything, because
the whole thing is "Abraham coming to a City which hath foundation who's
builder and maker is God." [Heb. 11:10] Previously though, he'll be in
the Millennium. Now, you're not going to be in that unless you're in a
body. Glorified human body. Then if the dead don't rise, then why are
people even talking about Jesus, or being baptized? That's what I get
from this picture. Now, I may be wrong, that's all I can possible say, I
don't know. 

23.     [Question 11:]  

		"Who is Revelation 10:1-7?"

	That's a very good question, you should say what is It, not Who?
Because there's two involved there, not one. Revelation 10:1-7 is the
Seventh Seal.

	All right, the mighty Angel that came down clothed with a Cloud and a
Rainbow, there's only one got the Rainbow. Nobody else. We know that as
the Logos that came down in the Pillar of Fire. And when He came down He
brought down to earth, opened the Seven Seals, which Book He had in His
hands in heaven. And the Voice of Thunder was upon earth. The seventh
verse is the Seventh Church Age messenger. So, number one is the Logos,
number two is William Branham. 

	Now, paragraph two of page 100 of the Seal book goes like this:

[220] 	Others had guessed at, in the denominational age. But, see, he
must be this 				man, the seventh angel of…Revelation 10:1-4.

	Now, 10:1-4 is that One Who came down. Seven is the One Who is here.
And Bro. Branham said they must both be on the earth at the same time.
Correct, certainly. No problem. Now:

		The seventh angel has the mysteries of God (that's what it says here
in verse 7) 				given to him, and finishes all the mysteries that’s
been left off, down through 				the denominational ages. 

	In other words, He does the perfect work of Moses, see, He goes back
and fills it all in. The same as Moses filled in Genesis not even having
been there. How? By Devine revelation. So, William Branham had 'Thus
saith the Lord' even on the history. Where Wesley is not mentioned,
Luther is not mentioned, Irenaeus is not mentioned. Martin, Columba not
mentioned. Just Paul. So, there's your picture. Now, also there's an
interesting little thing here, but the person didn't, (I'm sorry on page
127) he did not give me the paragraph, I read the whole page and I just
couldn't connect it. So, I'm sorry about that.

24.       [Question 12:]

		Now, number two: of the same question person.

		"If a woman leaves a man and the man, can the man remarry under any, 	
		or what circumstances?"  

	Well, I'd have to be a prophet to tell you that. I can't. Because
circumstances vary. I would have to put this right back in your lap.
Unless you can come to the place where you know you've heard from God,
and you'll never, ever, ever have any doubts of what you're doing of you
getting remarried, you better not get remarried. Because if you got one
doubt, believe me that doubt will keep rising and rising, and rising
until it destroys your life. So, I can't tell you, only a prophet could
tell you.

	The only circumstance a man could remarry under, is if his wife was not
a virgin and lied to him. Now, I'm going to give you a little
illustration here. I've got a friend down in the States and I think he's
a real sweet boy. His wife lied to him about her virginity. Later on,
she admitted it that she'd been with men. But he was a Christian and he
wanted to serve the Lord, had his thoughts on being a preacher. And he
said, "I didn't know whether to take her home and dump her in her
mother's lap." And he said, "I was afraid to, for the sake of Jesus
Christ, I would sooner live with her being betrayed then to just make a
mess and someone be offended."

25.	 He was wrong. Because she showed her colors, she began running with
other men. Now, I'm going to be very frank with you, in my books he's
absolutely free. But I wish he wouldn't, because time's short. Because
the prophet said, "If that woman lied, you could have twelve children by
her, (how many wouldn't matter) you could still let her go.

	Now remember, it was not him forgiving her and say, "Well, it's
alright." He tried to be a real Christian. I'm going to tell you
something, you try to be real Christian outside the Word, it backfires.
I read that quote the other night, "You cannot serve and worship God,
except through the servants that God sent to declare the Word to you."
And that boy's got a mess on his hands right now, and I'm sorry for him.
I would believe with all my heart if he told me the truth, (and I'm sure
he did) he could have every right to remarry. But he wants to stay
single and try to serve the Lord the best can with his two boys. 

	All right, I just can't tell you circumstances, the only one I can tell
you there, is that if she betrayed him, because let's face it, there is
no such thing as a legal contract if one person lies. Could you believe
that God would lie? Could you lie to God?  What if you could get a
contract? So, it's a prophet, I see the prophet so beautifully right,
and I certainly would not advocate anybody marrying unless they could…
in them they'd have to do this in themselves. Not with any approbation
of mine under any consideration, but if anybody felt so that they were
entitled and remarried, I would never, ever turn my back on them. I'd
treat them exactly as brothers and sisters in Christ, which I believe
they are, because that's not the unforgivable sin. There could be much
whipping and things concerning there, I don't know. Much headache, much,
much, a much. But I would not turn anybody aside. Now, something's we
get kind of grim, because a little more answered, I'm going to deal with
that a little later on. But some of this thought can be very grim later
on. 

26.     [Question 13:]

		"You mentioned Sunday morning under no circumstance should you split 	
		or separate. I don't remember which word he used, could you please
tell 				me where Bro. Branham told us that?"

	Well, I'm glad you established that as Sunday morning, because you have
to take what I said in the whole context. And the context of that was,
that if a person did what is right, and quote Scripture to agree, there
would not be a real split, or separation.

	Now, Bro. Branham said, and I can't tell you where he said it, because
my memory is not clear enough, but he did say, "That if you walked off
without clearing the slate it showed exactly what you were." I'm just
sort of phrasing it in a way to bring it right across.

	So, as I explain later on there may come a time when you cannot walk
together. Then if you separate you are still duty bound to separate
under the highest ideals and conditions, that you have made sure that
there is no malice and nothing in your heart to cause you to stumble,
because believe me, you're on very dangerous ground. 

27.	So, I still say with all due respect to everybody, myself included,
that the greatest grace we can exhibit under any stress, or duress, or
problem is to stay within the right frame of mind and heart. And to stay
with each other, unless somebody other than yourself is pushing
conditions. Don't you be the pusher. If you get pushed out, then it's
off your shoulder. But I'm speaking in terms of idealism amongst you as
individuals. And if you and I can rise to that place, where Bro. Branham
told us to come, I see no reason why anybody should ever split off from
anybody whatsoever.  Doctrine, or anything else.

	To me, it would be the highest compliment to William Branham, the
servant of God that we love, for all of us to dwell together in unity.
And to say, "Look, that's alright if you see it a certain way, we
believe the Message together, we're going down that road, we'll wait
until the Rapture." And that's the only spirit I believe brother/sister
is going to make the Rapture. Now, of course I could be wrong, but I
believe the Elect are going to have it. If I believe I'm the election my
call, election are going to be made sure by that very atmosphere in my
life.

28.	Now, I tell you, I'm battling it, but for years I have preached this
way and tried to keep the people together, and done what I can. I've
been thwarted on every side, by people who know better and won't do it.
Now, you as a congregation, you do what you want, I haven't a thing to
do with you. When I go down the road tomorrow morning I may never see
you again. But my voice will remain in your ears and your heart, we have
got to do something about our own lives regardless of other people.

	Bro. Branham said, "If there's only going to be one person to make the
Rapture, I'm going to be determined, I'm going to be that one." And not
that you shove anybody out, or …?... and tell the fellow, "Well,
you're not in it, because you don't believe right." How can you prove
you believe right? Your very spirit would tell me, you need another dip
at the fountain.

	You say, "Bro. Vayle, why are you so strong?" Look, you sit in my shoes
awhile kiddo, and follow me around, you find out. You don't even know
you're living yet. Now, I can afford to be tough on you, because I been
down the road. You've never been down the road, But I've been down the
road. And where…I've been a friend, I've been the filthiest foulest
scum, the next day you ever heard and not having done one thing but
said, "Look, I don't see it your way." You say, "You feel bad?"  Who's
to feel bad? I haven't got time. 

 	So, don't be a separatist. As Bro. Branham said, "I'm a
segregationist." Segregated under Christ. Now, I hope I haven't hurt
you, but if I have, well, I’m not going to cry about it. I stated what
I felt  I had to say, because I'm laboring under these things the same
as you are. It's hard. It's rough. Hard to take a stand what you
believe, and yet be sweet and kind and dovelike. And not have any
problems, anybody else.

29.     [Question 14:]  

		"Some people I've heard say, 'We have to believe every Word'."

	Certainly, you believe every Word. Could you explain every word? No!
Sure can't. Won't even try. Took me four and a half hours on one point,
and ten days on another. I'm just going to have to believe what he said.
See, that's the secret. That's what I keep saying. If I'm believing It,
and you're believing It, but we don't quite understand the same what are
we going to do? Take clubs and kill each other?  Draw straws? Try to
persuade a crowd? 

	If we've got Christ in here, we're going to love each other, and help
each other. See, now I can't explain a lot a things. I don't believe
that Bro. Branham could either. That is down to the final straw. It's
not our job to understand every jot and tittle, believe it.  Now, if you
don't think that I've said the truth about Bro. Branham there, you go
over those tapes. And you're going to find there were large gaps left.

30.	Now, I'll give you an illustration. You know, writing the Church Age
book was quite an experience. I said, "Bro. Branham, what did Adam do?" 
I'm not going to tell you what he said. But he said, "Perhaps, he did so
and so." Explain every word? No, believe every Word. And believing every
Word to me is not so much every word in the sense that you're going to
dissect there and say, "every 'and', and every 'but'," But to believe
every word means that you believe what he said, period. And you don't
try to change it any way, shape, or form. But you just say, "Look, I
can't understand." 

	I tell you what, I have tremendous problems with some of the tapes.
When it comes to the Feast of Trumpets, I just say, "forget it." I read
It, my eyeballs spin. Let me show you, just one point alone here: Bro.
Branham speaking and he begins talking and he said that certain things
now were between the Sixth and Seventh Seal. Like the calling out of the
144,000, (I forget what it was anyway) but you know, I took the longest
time to realize he was just talking where it was in the Bible. Not
talking about the chronology, talking about where it was in the Bible.
And I believed all the harder. I was believing what he said, oh man, you
talk about the head going this way, you know, shoom, shoom. My stomach
churning, just had to walk away from it, say I'll come back another
time. And I'll still pick it up and read It, and just walk away, come
back another time.

31.	I don't understand everything.  Sure wish I did. No, I don't either.
I don't need to understand everything. Just believe it. 

    [Question 14:]

	“Bro. Branham tells us how Noah was told that the next day it would
rain, and it didn’t. 	This went on every day for seven days.” 

	Now, I would have to get where Bro. Branham actually said that. Not
that I disagree with you, but in order to get the context of where the
fact is building up the suspense. Is God really going to do it? I He
true to His Word? Yes, He's true to His Word whether He does it on the
first day of the week, or the last day of the week, the first day of the
year, the last day of the year, He's going to do it regardless. And I
think that's what's in mind here by Bro. Branham. But I couldn't tell
unless I had the book  or the tape, I can't answer that all the way.  

	It's something like the question: no one knew exactly when the Rapture
is going to take place, because Enoch was gone, and the flood was going
to come because Enoch was gone. So, everybody says, "No siree, Enoch
wasn’t there." The best answer I got for years was, (and I didn't
figure this myself was) Noah was a prophet and therefore by revelation
he saw it."

 	No sir, you will find a certain tape where Bro. Branham said, "Enoch
came back."  (Uh huh) Where did he get it? The same place he got, Enoch
built the pyramid. And they finally discovered Enoch did build the
pyramid. So, no problem. Don't understand, wait awhile. Just hold on. I
can't answer that question, but I do understand this: and I know that
Bro. Branham was building, (I'm almost positive as I recall) this where
you must realize that when God said a thing, He will do it, don't worry
about it, it will be done. I'd like to get the context, I'm sorry. I'll
put this to one side. 

32.       [Question 15:]

	"Is it wrong for women to talk to men about the Word?"

	Yeah, in a way. To witness no. But to enter into the theological, or
the doctrinal aspects where they are attempting to become proficient
among themselves it would be not wise. But to witness anytime any day.
Witness to anybody. Bro. Branham said, "The milkman, the bread-man,
anybody." And in that respect, you will witness according to the Word,
the Word, because your witness otherwise wouldn't be worth a
plug-nickel. Right? 

	It would be telling of the prophet that God promised to send for this
hour. Where did he say it? Well, He said over there in the Book of
Malachi. Yes sir. Said over there in the Book of Matthew. I don't
pretend to know all about it, but I know that God said He's send a
prophet, and there's a vindicated prophet with 'Thus saith the Lord'.
You see, you're witnessing to It, without making It doctrinal as though
you're attempting to qualify yourself, even as an offhand, or teacher,
see? But witness, yes. 

33.	And I also believe it's right for women to comfort other women with
Scripture.  In other words when there's problems in the home, (see?) to
say, "Look now, you know as well as I do this verse of comfort is here."
And you know this is a testing and a trial. Not preaching, not handling
the Word, (in a wrong way) but using It as a witness. That's legal. 

	I suppose this question was asked because perhaps you've been around
many places like I've been around, and there's a tremendous propensity
for women to become almost theological experts. Every now and then I
told my wife I would grant her ordination. That sort of quiets things
down for a while. So, I been thinking might be thinking of that. Does
anybody ever think of that?  I don't know. But I have to look at all the
points I can look at.

34.       [Question 16:]

	"Is it wrong to play sports on Sunday." 

	Yes sir! Absolutely, no sports on Sunday. Even the one that only do it
a little while. Not every Sunday. Nope! Stay away from it. The prophet
liked that, I like it. Nothing wrong with taking a walk. Oh, I would say
if you wanted to make a comparison to be far better to go out and play
hockey, then to sit around and tear somebody up and down. Don't do
either one. Build somebody up. Now, I wouldn't do that. The prophet
didn't believe in that.

35.     [Question 17:]

	"Was Bro. Branham the revealed Word in flesh?"

	The prophet is the living Word of God made manifest. Now, I know what
you really had in mind there, but it's a good question I gave you a good
answer. The prophet as Scripture in the 'Feast of Trumpets', (I think
it's the Feast of Trumpets, I can look it up.) The prophet is the living
Word of God made manifest. He is too. John the Baptist came upon the
scene in the image, I'm Isaiah 40:3. I'm Malachi 3: He was the Living
Word of God revealed in human flesh. But so is the Bride. 

	Now, we know that Bro. Branham was in a far superior position, because
we don't have 'Thus saith the Lord'. So, he goes way beyond this. I
would say that this goes along with the thought: is Bro. Branham the
Seventh Church Age messenger?  Is the only difference between him and
Jesus Christ the flesh?  Yes, and no. First of all, what message are you
talking about? William Branham or the Elijah?  If you're talking about
Elijah, the Elijah for this hour is the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. Not
man, God, but it comes by a prophet. 

36.	 So therefore, the only difference is yes, He came without flesh.
His clothing this time is the Word. But to attempt to carry William
Branham to the place that Jesus Christ, I say no. Because he wasn't
Jesus Christ. When you're dealing with Jesus Christ, you're dealing with
my Savior. Now, you can believe Bro. Branham anyway you want. But Bro.
Branham didn't die to save me. Bro. Branham is dead. And the one
that’s going to change my body has got to get him out of the grave.
So, I got to look to One higher than Bro. Branham, I'm looking to the
One that Bro. Branham  revealed by the Word of Almighty God, though He
Himself was not Jesus Christ.

	So now, I hope I've answered your question. It's a good question. And
I'm convinced that the majority of people do not take it far enough, and
a small minority take it too far. Small minority take it too far, but
the majority don't take it far enough. If they took it far enough, I
don't know brother/sister, you'd have to take it to the place where the
apostles were. When Jesus said, "Will you leave Me too?" They said,
"Where would we go? [John 6:67-68] 

	They didn't stop and say, "Well, let me see now. It wasn't too bad way
back there in those days. And you know, it wasn't so bad now, do you
think there's something more up the road?" Well they said, "Where are we
going to go? We're satisfied, we're convinced."  So am I. If this isn't
It, I don't know what could be. Because when I hear back from God, is
William Branham in "Thus saith the Lord' brought those answers and it
lines this Scripture, man I'm not going anywhere. Just tell you flat.
Now, if I miss the Rapture I'm going to tell you something, the only
people that are going to be in It, are those who are with this Word
right here the way the prophet brought It. And that's the way I feel
about that. So, feel very good question, and I say, don't be afraid to
take it a long way, just stop short the right point. It's a good…we
must see the impact of his ministry and what he stood for.

37.       [Question 18:]

 		"Is it wrong for a person to be critical of their pastor, because of
how 					he preaches the Message?"

	Certainly, it's wrong, wrong to be critical of anybody really. It's
very wrong to be critical of the pastor, because your criticism, your
question would lead me to believe that you feel that you know more than
he does. Maybe you do, it’s certainly not hard to know more than me, I
can get a hundred in the pews that know more than I do. Lock, stalk and
barrel a hundred times more. No problem there at all. But maybe they
weren't called. What if you knew a lot of things and you weren't called?
Then you'd really be in trouble. Now, a lot of people don't think of
that, sit right in the pews, they got a lot of answers, but they don't
realize they're trying to take a pastor's, the five-fold ministry’s
job.  

	Look, why don't you become a five-fold ministry? Come on where the heat
is in the kitchen. Don't sit down and fan your brow. "Oh, how lovely."
Come on where the heat is kid, follow me awhile. Now, I'm not boasting,
because I've got it real easy now. But follow me back years ago when the
heat was on. It's still on, but not like it was. It's a different story.
(Yeah) 

38.	 Nice home, everything going nice. Get down the road you got to pray
your kids out of trouble a thousand miles away. Get down there where you
got no money, you got to pray the anointing on the service, and what the
lazy preacher didn't do, you got to do it all. And still stand there and
not take an offering. 

	And Meda says, "Why don't you take an offering?"

	He said, "I'll starve."

	Do it sometime, be my guest. Come on, I’ll tell you how it’s done. 
I'll break in. I'm a little edgy right now, but you've got it coming to
you. Don't you be critical, it's going to come back on you. (See?) It'll
come back on you. Now, if the guy is living in sin, that's a different
story. If he's lazy that's a different story. 

	I know a preacher that was pastoring, never gave them Communion, or
Foot-washing in fifteen months. They finally laid the score down and
said, "We better have it."

	He said, "Well, (he said) you know it could be ritual." A ritual in
fifteen months? I'm critical of that kind of nonsense myself. I can be
critical too, you bet I can. But when it comes to how he preaches the
Message, if that man is living a life that's good and godly, if he's
trying then where can you be critical since you're not vindicated?  I
hope you ask that question from somebody else. I'm sure you did.

39.      [Question 19:]

		"Should women testify in church?"

	Hardly anybody should. There should be no testimony unless it's called
upon for a special occasion. You'll notice that in Church Order, because
testimony gets out of hand. Many times, becomes a (you know) an apple
box in Hyde Park. If a woman was called upon, yes, if she's called upon,
certainly. Why should she not get up and tell what Jesus has done for
her? Why should she not tell the great things God has done. Absolutely,
she should testify in church, if she's called upon and so should a man.

	I understand Bro. Branham in the last sermon he was in, in Tucson they
opened the service with testimony, he was the first one on his feet. I
wasn't there of course, I didn't get there till later on, living in the
east, too far from the west. He said, “I never miss an opportunity to
testify for my Lord.” So, certainly she can if she's called upon. For
an open service, let he do it in grace unto the Lord.

40.     [Question 20:]

	"Should Christian families have family devotions? (Yes) If so at what
time?"

	 Anytime especially morning or night. Some people cannot have morning
devotion. I prefer it myself. But what if the husband has a job that
doesn't kind of lend to it? I would not for one minute leave it all in
the mother's hands, I believe the father should be there too. Find the
time that's most convenient and stick to it. Don't be afraid to change
when necessary. 

	Now, I'll tell you what I've found. I found kid's minds wander as you
read the Word. I got over that in a hurry, I said we'll all read out
loud together. No problem. But even when you ask them to pray, they may
stutter, stammer a bit. I wouldn't want to press children too hard to
pray, except to help them that they know there is an answer to prayer,
and they can pray. But other words, I'm trying to say this: look, don't
make this thing merely religion. Make it spiritual if you possibly can.

	I know a brother did that for years, couldn't get to church, no church
to go to. He was determined he wasn't going to worry about organization,
so he sat in his home every Sunday, played two tapes. On Wednesday night
played a tape, and everyday had devotions. He raised his family the best
he could. Looks like it's paying off. Looks like the kids are growing up
real fine. The marriages have been turning out good, and hopefully every
one of his children will be a real witness to the Lord.

41.     [Question 21:]

		"Is it wrong to play games on Sunday, such as checkers, darts, and 			
	play hockey?"

	Well, there again, you want to play darts, if you've got a little time
for hockey, a little time for checkers, any day but Sunday, wonderful. 
Now, I don't think you'd be terrible condemned if you played checkers or
something, but I don't think we should. I think that's a day we should
rest and relax, go to church, be quiet, because there's six days to
labor, and six days to do a lot of things in.

42.     [Question 22:]

		"The speaker comes in and preaches wrong, should the pastor correct 		
		the wrong from the pulpit after the speaker left?"

	Certainly, maybe not say, "Hey, that fellow is wrong," and you get
people upset. But that's his prerogative. Just come behind and emphasize
a few points it'll cover it over.

	A brother said a little while ago, "Lee, (he said) I believe we've been
teaching wrong since           I listen to that man preach. What will I
do?"

	I said, "Just sit tight and say ummm, nothing! Just start teaching
carefully, it'll rectify itself. Because you see, the people already
know anyway. (See?) So, don't worry about it. But always the pastor is
the authority.

	When I come here anyplace, I want you to know that if I say opposite to
the pastor, and he comes behind me, you listen to him not me, even
though you might think I'm right and he's wrong. You are obligated to
listen, because it's his responsibility to see you through, it's not
mine. If you're all sincere, if he happens to be wrong, God as Paul said
will show him, it'll come back right. Maintain your right spirit.

43.	Matthew 18: We all know Matthew 18: according to Bro. Branham there
again I'm too stupid I can't quote to the tape and say what he said, but
believe me Matthew 18: is so important. It is for this hour as perhaps
as no other form of Church Order and discipline is.

	Now we know what It is: "If a brother has ought against you, trespass,
to him and tell his fault between thee and him alone: (Don't take
anybody) if he shall hear thee, thou has gained thy brother." [Mat.
18:15] (You're fine, you're in good shape.)

	"If he won't hear you, take with thee one or two more." So, everything
can be established in the mouth of two witnesses." [Mat, 18:16]   

	So, you can't say, "Well, he said, he said, I said, I said,"

	They'll say, "Now, hold it, you didn't say that, he didn't say that." 

	You got to have witnesses, or a tape recorder. Take a witness and a
tape recorder, then you've got it down right. 

44.	 You know, people sometimes express themselves, they don't mean to
say a thing, it comes out wrong. So, it's a good thing to know. You say,
"Well, I didn't mean it that way. I know I said it, but here's what I
really meant. In other words, it's to make sure that there's not a
stalemate that you can proceed to progress, and get the thing cleared
up. You don't sit around and wait for things to settle, that's only
advisable when they're very certain, very few conditions. This must be
settled.

	And then It says here, "If they don't listen tell it to the church."
Now, if they still don't listen, then they must be put out from the
sanctuary of the church, which means they're from under the Blood, and
therefore discipline can be administered through the power of the Lord. 
Now,

45.     [Question 23:]

		"Do you give the brother, sister thirty days before taking the Blood
off?" 

	That is only when they have been brought before the church. Then when
they refuse to hear the church, the thirty-day period takes place to let
him have time to come in. Now, I don't find that in Scripture, but I
sure agree with Bro. Branham. There's got to be a time just like…you
know what happened like…look down the State there. Here's Ehrlichman,
Haldeman and Dean, and Colson, and Mitchell, oh there's a bunch, too
many to mention. They're all out there waiting for the judge to lower
the hammer.  

	Now, they all got to go to prison, but this fellow is out and that
…?... and they say, "Alright, now Mr. Dean, (now of course, Dean got
off the hook by squealing, which is alright, that's the way you do
things in politics, not in the church, uh uh, in politics) so then now
that the now say, "He's this fellow Mitchell, Mitchell you're going to
go to jail for two years." 

	"When? There's an appeal on judge."

	"Okay, wait till the appeal goes through, the appeal takes six months."


	You see, there’s a period in there, see what I mean? So, that's what
Bro. Branham did was right. Before you take the privilege away of being
under the sanctuary of the church of the Living God, where the Blood is
efficacious, where you've got all boldness before the Lord to enter
right in. Then you give him a period. When that period's gone, then
that's it. (See?) Now, that's what I see in [Matthew] 18: here. I
believe that's what the person had in mind, because it says about taking
the Blood off, so I put it into 15: and 19: or 18: now. 

46.	So, what is the principle? If anything has come up that constitutes
a false that which causes friction, that which is a problem, a burden,
something that's (you know) causing turmoil. The person must go to that
person. And if they do not have reconciliation, then they are duty bound
by Scripture to take on or two others to establish exactly what has
transpired. Then if they don't listen to those two, or the ones that had
involved themselves at the request of this individual, it goes to the
church. 

	Then the church must pass on it. It's got to be brought to the whole
church. That these brethren have not made up, the situation is such and
such by the witnesses that are gathered here, and though therefore
something must be done. If they refuse to do, to make up, then they must
be put from out of the church, out of the church, that's what you do.

47.	Now, I'm going to go further though: I find a very sad situation,
and this is nothing to do with you, because I'm preaching from my own
experience. If it touches you, then alright, fine, I'm unaware. 

	But we had a case where some brethren came into the community. They
began fussing because of certain things that the church as a whole did
not agree, and especially the pastor. They were so determined to have
their way, that they began knocking on doors. Now, hold it, I'm an elder
of the house of God, there's an elder. If anybody dares to raise their
voice against me, or Bro. Gunther without yourself having come right
before the church and been check out as to whether you are worthy to
make an accusation, you are in serious trouble, my brother, my sister. 

	How dare anybody raise an accusation against the men who have borne
fruit in the community that God has used, and then you stand back and
dare to make some statement like that. Now, you ask to get your question
answered, and we're going to answer them. I want to know. Now, did the
prophet said it, or didn't he say it? Did he? He said it! 

	You don't dare bring an accusation, open your mouth against a pastor,
or anybody in the church that's serving God until you yourself have come
forward before the church and said, "I wish to bring and accusation, I
therefore what to be judged."  Whoo, hallelujah I feel real religious.
Because doubt under those conditions anybody dare to open his or her
mouth. I'm not going to say you still love me, that don’t have a thing
to do with me. You still love the prophet? Very nice of you. 

48.	I never said this, William Branham said it. I can find It in the
Bible, because It tells you, can't bring an accusation against an elder
except two or three witnesses, got to have witnesses. That means it's a
witness to you, you've got to be actually judged before the whole
church. And yet I'm not…I'm talking about you people. I'm not saying
one thing about you, I'm talking to you, because I don't believe that
condition exists here. But I'm telling you what went on back in Ohio.
You wonder why I keep saying I stand with the pastor, it's his fruit not
mine. How dare I come in here and tell anybody you listen to Lee Vayle.
You think I want to get my head knocked off by God?

	I'm sixth-three years of age, I've learned a few things. I don't have
an open door, except for the pastors. Now, I'm not playing footsie,
because look, there's a lot of places I won't go and I'm invited. I
don't play footsie. I don't have anything in my pocket, I wouldn't have
a place, I'd have nothing except for these brethren. Now, what about
you?  Have you won souls? Now, I'm just talking to you now from what
went on in Ohio. So, you better be nice to me, or I might snoop around
two more days and not leave town and see if anything's been going on
here. [Bro. Vayle chuckles] I don't know. 

49.	Start asking different ones and say, "Hey, you know anybody said so
and so, such and such?" Now, I'm not going to stay and find out. But I
want to get you a little nervous, because nobody's nervous about what
I'm talking about. Men that should know better have placed themselves in
jeopardy by their insanity, their rage against the servants of God. Now,
don’t think I'm standing and making something of myself, because look,
I'd love to quit preaching. If I thought God wouldn't just
literally…now He won't kill me, He's too smart for that, He just beat
the stuffings out of me. And I don’t want to get the stuffing's beat
out of me, I've had it for nine years one time and tried to commit
suicide and had a nervous breakdown, didn't even know I had it. Because
I've got to much fiber in my being, I could have several and not even
know it. So, I have to keep going. But to simply be a preacher, forget
it.  

	When Bro. Branham said the man that's sent doesn't want to go, he sure
said the truth. I fought it, I even backed away for nine years. So,
there's no more backing away anymore, but neither will I be wrong if I
can help it. So, we're talking now about the church discipline, so let's
be right, all the way. Right? Now, after while I'll give any man a
chance to ask me questions to what I said, as long as you're nice and
sweet like I am. That means, anybody is going to be able to ask. Let me
take that back.  All right.

50.     [Question 24:]

		"If a brother has a ministry, does God have to answer his prayers,
because 				he has a healing ministry before …?...?"

	Are you talking about what I said that I wouldn't go even preaching
until I felt in my heart that God would positively heal the sick I
prayed for? Something like that, or maybe someone has to be knowing that
he can be healed himself?

	Well, I would say that the majority of us have been healed. But like
the majority, you don't always get healed. (See?) Bro. Branham healed
literally through the power of God multitudes, and he himself died sick.
The Friday that he was injured never to eat again. He had the same
terrible problem the gastritis problem, (I think it was gastritis…
they called it.) his stomach was so hard like an old piece of leather,
he was sick with it.

	So, but you know, old Smith Wigglesworth, suffered with kidney stones
until they drove him desperate. And after a healing service when many
would be healed of kidney stones, he'd go home and sit in a bath tub of
hot water to get some relief. And go right back the next night preach
again, and pray again. He finally got healed. Sure, you can have a
healing ministry, and have problems yourself. Elisha died with a
sickness whereof he was sick. He had problems, just keep on praying for
the sick. Now, I don't know how bad you feel, take your faith in your
hands and believe God for yourself and everybody you pray for (see?)
right down the line.

51.	 Now, let's say this, if you know that you have got through to God
for yourself and gotten answers in healing and all for yourself, sure
you're in better shape to pray for somebody else. See, the way the
question was asked here I'm going to try and exhaust the whole thing,
because I really don't know what I'm talking about from the answer your
question here. I know what I'm talking about, but I just don't know if
I'm covering exactly what you've got in mind. (See?) 

	But in my own experience I found it tremendously gratifying to stand
right there and say, "God I'm not going to budge to make one step until
my confidence is where it is to be effective." And it works. And I've
stood there so sick, and I remember one night years ago when the flu
started going around in Vancouver, back in 1950 maybe, '51, (I suppose
it's '50, '51 yeah) I was so sick that night my body shook until the bed
rattled. And then less then every five minutes have to run to the
bathroom, my kidney's like a sieve, and that would make my teeth chomp
up and down. And I was so mad at the devil in that disease. I stayed in
that bed and I fought it, and I fought it, and I fought it. In four
hours flat, I was up and around perfect. Because I said, "Mister, I'm to
tell you something devil, I prayed for the sick tonight, and now I'm
home sick. And I'm going to pray tomorrow and I'm going to pray well, by
the grace of God." I was like a dynamo. A hundred percent healed. Praise
God. Oh, you can he healed, but it sure makes you feel good when you
pray for the other guy. Yeah, I like that, good question.  

52.     [Question 25A:]

		"Could you…(oh, this is a tough one) could you please explain a
problem 				for us, our daughter is living with a married man. At the
end of this 					month his divorce is final, he has asked her to marry
him. She is seventeen, 				is it wrong for us to sign for her? And is it
wrong for her, for us, to go and 				visit her, we are very burdened
with this."  

	You would be, and I can understand that. Well, I look at this question
in the light of the problem, she should not be living with him, and she
did not require your signature to live with him, she did it anyway. But
she'll require the signature when the man is free to marry her. There's
some things that are unanswered here. Is the girl saved? 

         [Question 25B:]

		"How long should she wait before she can marry him? Will she still
live 				with me…if he… if you don't sign will she live with him? I
suppose she will." 

	That’s difficult to tell you, because again, I'm not a prophet. I'm
trying to think what the prophet did in situations that were something
like this. Now, you're not sanctioning that's for sure, and she should
not be with the person. Well, I tell you, I wonder if he still wants to
marry her at the end of the month? Maybe he's honest, maybe he's not. I
don't have much faith in married men, because I know what they're like.
Not because I'm that way, but I know what married men are like. They're
liars. They fool a girl, they wouldn't care if she died it's her tough
luck. Because Bro. Branham said they were made for the act, and they'll
take it coming and going if they can get it anywhere, any place,
especially the virgin, a young woman. And a woman is supposed to refrain
from doing it.

53.  Now, I know it puts a burden on her, but I'm sorry, the prophet
said it, and I'm going to say what the prophet said. There's no doubt
she's played the fool. But if she's determined to marry him.  I'd almost
seek counsel from a lawyer or judge, or somebody I that that I could
trust and express my convictions in Christ. She has no rights to him and
he to her, and even though free to marry. Is there some way she can
marry him without your signature? I wouldn't want to sign myself. 

	See, you got a funny situation. Marriage is marriage and adultery is
fornication is fornication. Once you've made that vow, you're stuck, and
she's married to a divorced person. Of course, I know that's not the end
of the world, God can still save her. But for you to be party to it, I
would attempt to get some kind of advice from a judge in a court,
(because you can get it, in a family relation court) and say, "Look, we
can't do those things." Wrong is wrong. 

54.	 Is there some way she can get married without our permission? Not
saying they're still granting permission, but staying away from it. But
then if she does get married, can you visit her? Would you believe that
Bro. Branham never entered his son's house until just before he died,
that is to have a meal with him? I know we're not prophets, he might not
do things that you and I could do. 

	The question comes, How can we win her? Now, you can visit her now, not
in that home, but someplace else. I'll tell you why, if you give
yourself an easy course, your conscience will get right to you in a
minute. You see? As Paul said, "Not because the law says certain things,
that's good. Like the speed limit, but you obey for a higher reason
which is your conscience which you can't afford to fool with. So, I
would certainly not go and visit her where she is, but I would tell her
that we would like to talk with her in a restaurant or someplace. But I
couldn't go in there, because I'm sure you'll regret it. There again,
I'm talking from things that I know. To sign for her, I couldn't do that
either. 

55.	 What's the legal age, eighteen? Well, I wonder when she's going to
be eighteen, pretty soon I suppose. I don't know, I would sure pray
about this, I'd hate to steer you wrong here. But look, you are going to
have to live with your conscience. So, you're going to have to be
terribly careful, you cannot throw her away, even though I wouldn't go
where she is with that man not for one minute would I go there. I can't
believe that, unless you went to get her out of there. So look, you're
coming, I got the law on my side, different story. I don't think you're
prepared to do that. I'd sure wait until the end of the month to see
what he intends to do anyway. But I would see a judge to see. Look if I
don't do it, they might go to Alberta where it's seventeen years of age.
I don't know. I don't know. But I would be very, very cautious so that I
have not involved myself in any way that would be against the Word of
the Lord.

	I think in this church if you're a good bunch, and I believe you are, I
believe you should call a special meeting for cases like this. Come here
one Wednesday night, do nothing by pray. All get down on your face and
just talk to God, and pour your heart out concerning this condition and
see what will happen. Because this is a treacherous condition, and I
would not want them to make a wrong step. And I feel for them to be
involved against the Scripture would cause a heartache that down the
road would…might just make this look a little bit as though it were
nothing. 

56.	     [Question 26:]   Also, 

	 	"Is it not wrong for teenage boys to play hockey in a league?"

	I don't like that for this reason, you're getting involved with the
world. I would sooner let the kids do like we did, get on the pond of
ice and then have a good time, fall on their faces, or anyplace they
want to fall and just have a ball. But forget the professional sports. I
cannot believe that anybody is entitled to desecrate the Resurrection
Memoriam by playing in sports. It's my under-standing, a brother in
Minneapolis that I met a couple of years ago was one of the outstanding
football players finally resigned and turned down a huge salary because
it got to him, "how can I serve God by being a football player?"  I
can't buy it brother/sister. I cannot buy it. It wouldn't line with this
Scripture, the Message.

57.      [Question 27:]

	"Should young people go out on a date in a car alone?"

	No sir. With somebody else, you better know who the somebody else is.
It better be with somebody else definitely. But then it should not be in
a permissive way. It should be simply in a companion way. That is like
something with youth and (you know) just fairly sociable, but not one of
those romantic affairs.

58.       [Question 28:]

	"Should young women talk about the Bible on the job to other people?" 

	No, not on the job, you're paid to do your job the prophet said. If you
go to the boss, and the boss and the boss will let you talk, fine. But
this, you're paid do a job. Now, there's something on the job, say like
coffee break, your lunch hour, or you're both standing there because a
machine is shut down or something, and the boss hasn't got a job for you
to do, you might do a little bit then. But on the job, no. No, prophet
said no. 

59.       [Question 29:]

	"Should women in cry room talk to each other unnecessarily?"

	Never, not talk at all except if necessary in any room when there's a
service going on. That goes for men too. Men could be worse than women.
Don't think women just do this.

60.       [Question 30:]

	"Should full time pastor play tapes sometimes instead of preaching?" 

	Certainly, certainly, even though in the States most preachers say the
people are getting all the tapes they want at home, preaching. Now, if
the congregation wants only preaching that's a different story. But I
certainly would not be against tapes under certain conditions, and under
certain conditions, I would certainly have a tape. I wouldn’t want to
even say what the prophet said. I'd say, "Listen for yourself and play a
tape." 

	My, how could we preach sermons like some of the sermons Bro. Branham
preached? Just the other day I tried to find where Bro. Branham in the
Seven Church Ages, (the original manuscripts) was talking about how
Jesus, how that where He was born, Jehovah come down over a manure pile.
And the man absolutely like an anointed genius poured the most
passionate, compassionate message I've ever heard on that, Jehovah
coming down. You know, I tried to find that so I could get…steal some
of his notes, but couldn't find it.

            [The Smyrnaean Church Age 60-1206]

		[Jehovah, over a pile of manure in a barn, crying. Jehovah, in a
manger of straw.] 

   		

61.	I wouldn't try to say what he said, I'd play it. There's nothing
like the original. Just like I wouldn't try to paraphrase his words by,
and I'm going just take each verses and sort of hang it around here and
there. Man, I'd read that verse. So sure, there's nothing wrong under
the certain conditions of playing a tape. Would all depend on the pastor
and the people. And I say this from lots of experience I've had in the
field where I come from, and I know some pastors right today will always
take the Wednesday's service on a tape.

	I know one brother, and he loves to play the tapes he gets so much out
of them that he'll play   a tape, a certain part of the distance, and
then it stop down and say, "Now, did you notice this wonderful thing?
You noticed that wonderful thing, and that wonderful thing?" Just to get
the people so that they'll know more of what they heard. Not to steer
them, but to just get them into encouraged. What to watch for, and how
it dovetails and the beautiful .that were said. And then play some more.
Now, of course if somebody plays a tape and said, "Well, there's no such
thing as preaching we'll play tapes. "  And then, sits there and steers
the people, we'll I've seen that too, but who needs to talk about that.
You asked the question here about playing.

	Sure it's alright, now if Bro. Guenther says differently, well you
listen to him. But there's certainly no sin in it, and it's fine once in
a while. I know that most people prefer the preaching, because they do
hear the tapes. But once in a while under certain conditions it's fine.
I like it myself.

  62.      [Question 32:]

	"If a brother is preaching wrong would it be okay if a person …if you
stood 			up and told him?"

	No sir, never do that. You go to him afterward. You would never, ever
tell anybody in public, unless you were the person in charge of the
service, then you could do it. I've only done it once in my life. I
walked out. But before I walked out they heard from me, because they
made Bro. Branham a false prophet. I said, Look, I don't you making me a
goat, (because that's very possible) but when you make Bro. Branham a
false prophet that's where I draw the line right now, or we're going to
have trouble. We have it. And I don't regret it. But only once, and I've
been preaching a long, long, long time. No, I would never, never ever,
because that is accusing an elder before people and you yourself would
have to judged. If you feel something's wrong go to the person.

63.	Now, the last one here and we're finished. And this question here is
a kind of a delicate question, but I appreciate it, because the person's
sincere. I would really like to talk to the person privately, but I'll
try to be as careful as I can.

          [Question 33:]

	"If old folks married for many years, and the old woman finally refused
her 			husband, (then I suppose that is an act of intercourse) Loves him
dearly and 				she refuses to him because she is old, she doesn't need
it. (That has nothing 			to do with it of course), The old man is older
than she is, and will have to be dirty.

     (In other words it sounds like here that he doesn't take care of
himself.) He's kind 

      of a careless person that he's unclean, and she loves him, but is
she sinning? "

	Yes, she's sinning. It sounds like that they need counseling. They
should have the pastor come in and counsel if the man so ignorant he
keeps his body unclean, he should certainly be taught to clean up. And
if that's the problem, and it seems like it is, but she shouldn't refuse
him, it's wrong. Bro. Branham said, and he never put an age limit on it.
He said, "At no time must she refuse her husband, because he is her
husband."  

	So, certainly I would have a little help other than what I've said. The
only reason I've said this is, because it may be that somebody else has
the same problem, not just the person who wrote it. And you must never,
ever do that. Maintain a proper order of loving your home, your personal
relationship. The male must never demand of the woman to do anything
which is crude or crass, or against nature. 

64.	Now, that I've said this much, I'm going to tell you something. Bro.
Branham one day spoke over the pulpit on this subject. I made it my
business to find out what he meant. So therefore, I was very clever, I
had my wife talk to Sis. Branham. You got to use the pipeline the Lord
gives you. And Sis. Branham said, "Sis. Vayle, you don't know what some
of the men who claim to believe this Message are doing to their wives
and with their wives."

	Now, let's get this straight, if you're that kind of a guy you had
better stop it. Now, I'm taking the woman's part here, because I feel
that there's something here more than just what sounds like a person is
not tidy and very unclean about his person. I'm a little fearful that
this man could be asking things of her that are not legitimate. If this
is the problem I would refuse to do anything which is ungodly. I don't
care who asked me. 

	But if it's just a little sense of delicacy, and he's a bit indelicate
then he should be helped. Now, that's the way it is, and that's the
right answer. So, I would suggest that person get some counseling, get
some help with the husband, and I believe it'll iron out very nicely,
because we must do the will of the Lord.  Remember, marriage is entirely
sanctified by God, the bed is sanctified also under the conditions that
God is sanctified. So, fine we leave it there.

65.  Now, I said for the men we've got a few minutes left, (say five
minutes) …if any brother wants to ask a question in case I did not
explain something, so you caught it, or this has aroused further
questioning, I would feel that I was not right in closing off without
giving you a chance, because I've had my chance. And you are suffering
by listening to me, and I don't believe in being one sided. I believe
that my wife's name is on our checks the same as my name is there. And
if she ever complains, I say, "Look kid, your name's on the check
something as long as the money is there, write it. If you blow it, it's
your privilege, it's just as much yours as mine." And that make it get
real tight. [Bro. Vayle chuckles] She doesn't blow it. But that's what I
mean. That's the way our marriage is. She's been a good worker, a good
wife anything I've got is hers. That's the way it is, that's the way
it's going to be. And if something happens where she blows it, well,
that's just que sera, [it will be] that's the way life is. I wouldn't be
the first guy that got blowed out, and I wouldn't be the last guy, and
I'd likely deserve it. 

66.	So, I'm going to give you a chance, your names are on the same check
mine is, so if you want to ask a question now, you're part, we're all
part together, so if there's any questions just feel free and easy. And
women write yours down, pass it to a man,  [Bro. Vayle chuckles] not
your husband, I'll let you be out of order for a second. Any question
then? 

	[Question 34: asked is inaudible]

	Yep, I remember, there's a case right on the platform where a woman
came and Bro. Branham said, "That somebody that exercised witchcraft on
the person," and he prayed for the person. There's another time when
this is personal, but let's let the cat out of the bag, because look,
there shouldn't be any cats in the bag anyway, but a certain boy that
was well known to Bro. Branham worked with him was going to go fishing
with Bro. Branham. But he did not get there in time and somebody else
came by and Bro. Branham went fishing with him. When this boy found out,
he took Bro. Branham's hat and he literally cursed and threw it in the
corner. Bro. Branham came back and picked up his hat and he told the boy
that did it, said, "Take that hat and burn it, there's a curse on it."  

67.	So, there is such things which I myself would want to doubt that
anybody could receive a curse except by suggestion, or by being opened
to it. But evidently there is such a thing as cursing, and the Bible
warns us to curse not.  And I don't believe that means taking the name
of the Lord in vain, or something like that. I believe it means to
literally to have an imprecation [act of cursing] forcefully attempting
to control lives by evil powers.

	Now, let's go to the realm of spiritism, absolutely it's done. It's
done. Men have the power to control devils, because devils control them.
You might wonder why I say that, because the devil's will allow certain
control in order to get the best of you. They can be used, and there can
be curses evidently placed. But other than that, I can't say beyond
that, because I would have to go into the context again of what as in
that prayer line, and perhaps find other things the prophet said. But
I'm of the…of what Bro. Branham has said, and what I have known that
has been absolutely proven that there definitely are such things as
curses. Witchcraft and the whole thing. 

	And of course, let's face it, the more superstitious and darker the
people are, the more susceptible they will be. That is true, there's
something in there, I just don't know more about. That's it. Well, shall
we rise. I know with not staying with the central topic sometimes these
meetings you don't know that a service like this is done a lot of good,
but I hope that I've been able to help you in certain areas. I know in
others I haven't, but I've been as honest as I can to deal with the
problems and sympathetic as I can to see every side that I possible
could see. To give all the advice I could from what the prophet has
taught. So, the Lord bless you.

	Heavenly Father, we thank you for the good time we've had together here
with your people, enjoying our fellowship, the Word of Almighty God. And
I just hope and pray, Lord, that the people have been encouraged to set
the high standard, Lord, which breaks our hearts to know is not in the
land, where men and women, Lord, are so prone to stand apart and not
admit that we are of each other. O God, help us at least to have the
right spirit, because then we know that there's a good opportunity
having the right Word.

	So, Lord, form a new spirit within us tonight. Help me, Lord, as I
admit personally that I've got maybe a bigger job then some of the folk
here, the majority of folk. This having been the desire of my life
embroiled in it, and so disappointed many times dishearten. So many
times, Lord,  seeing so many things come in, and I pray, Lord Jesus,
that You'll help me to just stand there and draw the bigger circle. Not
to carp and complain, but to know this that's just part of the job that
You've told me to do. 

	And I pray, Lord, as the people pray with me that that will happen in
my life. Because I have confidence in their prayers, Lord, tonight and
their love. And I pray for them the same way, Lord, as we're all praying
together that there will not be the enemy come amongst this people, or
any people here, Lord, in the churches which we have such love and
respect for, in Herschel, Kunisanone, and any other place, Lord, where
Your Name is lifted up, Lord God, that sweet same Spirit that we're
talking about.

	Now, abide in each one that not under any condition can anybody of high
or low esteem, or any esteem at any time ever cause this people to be
deterred for one second from their deep spirituality that they're
looking forward to, that they'll never separate over the doctrine, and
over this Message. But count each other better than themselves and in
honor love each other. Standing back in humility and persevering within
themselves, demanding of themselves that this be so, because it's
commanded. "And greater is He that is within us, then he that's in the
world," Lord.

	So, Heavenly Father, we just believe now at this moment that as we by
water baptism immersion, symbolically died and rose in the newness of
life. Let this be a service of death unto all those things which could
be even the least a little contrary. Rising with this depth of a new
spirit that's going to bring the dynamism of the Word of God into our
lives. Because, Lord, I could be wrong, I might be praying a million
miles off Your Word. But I'm beginning to wonder, Lord, that if we could
possibly be dynamised with that kind of a spirit. Since the prophet
warned us, we must have an new spirit, even have the Holy Spirit, then
what about this? 

	I'm wondering, Lord, but if there's nothing to it, wonderful. But if
there is, God help us, for we're sincere tonight, Lord. People here of
one accord, one mind. So, Father, by grace and faith in You tonight we
consider that this is all under the Blood, it's all over. All a
misunderstanding, every-thing, Lord, just go by the board. And not only
here, Lord, because it's such a minor thing here to what is other
places, worst than the open warfare, name calling and everything else,
God.

	I'm going down there, Lord again, I'm amongst it all the time. Help me
to get above it, I know better, now help me to get above it. Lord, there
is a place we can walk in the trough of the storm, doesn't matter how
high the waves are, how deep the water. How strong the wind blows, the
gates of hell cannot prevail. And we're standing on It, Lord, tonight.

	Let this grace be amongst us tonight, O God, as our prime desire
tonight. And we praise You for It, and we thank You for It, and believe,
O God, that You've heard an answer to our prayer. Now, unto the King
Eternal, immortal, the only wise God, be all power and honor and glory
through Jesus Christ. Amen. The Lord bless you. 

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