Camp Meeting (The Presence) Bro. Lee Vayle - July 13, 1977 Now, let us remain standing for prayer. Father, again we come into Thy Presence, the Lord Jesus Christ, knowing by the Blood He has the boldness to enter into Thy very Presence, not just secondary Presence, not just found inner doors, but, what everyone seeks rather inner doors, hoping we might get there, but actually the very Presence of Almighty God. Now, cause us now, Lord, cause us fear to come upon our hearts that we should say anything, Lord, which are not right. Help us, my God, to keep always constant mind of Your Presence, Lord, Your goodness and mercy to us, the grace that You've given us, the responsibility which is ours, Lord. That we walk softly before You. Help us this morning, Lord Jesus, to know what is in Your Word, some of the hard things, Lord, which have been said at the end time, difficult to understand to the people who will not let their minds go, but by simple faith those who let their minds go is not difficult. So, Lord, we just believe You're with us now to help us. Lead us unto all truth and guide us in the Name of Jesus Christ we pray. Amen. You may be seated. Now, this last week we've been doing the best to minister along lines, which usually I normally feel are exclusive to the pastor, but because we're in a little bit of a camp meeting with many people with us, it seems to me wise to bring thoughts of grace and mercy and faith from the Word of God. But this morning to deal in doctrine, because that's essentially why I'm here. 1. Now, the message this morning is one that's most unusual, one that the prophet taught, and it will require the letting of our thinking go. It is not difficult, it will not go over your heads if you're simple minded enough to…simplistic in your faith to believe it. You know, many times I go to a place…and I shouldn't say many times has occurred. Especially one place I went and gave a number of messages and the people seemed quite happy. They were getting a picture what I was saying. About four years later I came back and there I was met in Jeffersonville, and they told me they were replaying my tapes and for the first time they understood them. Well, that might sound flattering to those who wished to be highly praised for an academic approach, but to me it was very unflattering. Because I like to believe that you are catching what I'm saying. So, don't think it's going to go over your head now, because it simply will not. Because this is what the prophet taught. It will not go over your heads, it will illuminate what he has already said from 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. 2. And that's our subject this morning 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, or the Parousia. That's a Greek word which used by many students. (13) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that (you) sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. (14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. (15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. (But go before them which are asleep.) (16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: the dead in Christ shall rise first: (17) (And) we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so, shall we ever be with the Lord. (18) Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 2. Now, let's read again verse 13. (13) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that (you) sorrow not, even as others which have no hope Now, Paul is addressing the living concerning the dead, so we immediately see the following verses will deal with the relationship of both the living and the dead Christians that Christ returns. That's number one. He's talking to the living concerning the dead. So therefore, in verse 13 we find what that what is to follow, will have deal with the relationship of the living and dead Christian at Christ's Coming. Verse 14, (14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also (that) sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. Now, It says here, (14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also (we believe, we know them that believe) … in Jesus will God bring with him. 3. In other words, verse 14 is saying concerning the dead, that the death and resurrection of Jesus demands a return to this earth of the sleeping saints were they will mingle with the living. That is what he tells you there. Going on to 15-17, (15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not (go before) them which are asleep. (16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, with the trump of God: the dead in Christ shall rise first: (17) Then we which are alive and remain (unto the coming of the Lord) shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 4. Now, these verses then describe how the living and the dead will be gathered to the Wedding Supper. It tells you that they will be brought forth by Jesus. They'll be on earth with the living, and then together they'll be caught up. The former dead going first to meet the Lord in the air, and they will go to the Wedding Supper. So, we learn here the time and conditions of this great coming together the gathering of the entire Bride that is set forth in these verses. Now, first we want to examine the time when this is going to happen. Again, reading in verse 15. (15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord… 5. Now, that's the secret right there, that takes place at the Coming of the Lord. The living at the last Age will be heirs to 1 Corinthians 15:51-54. Paul tells us over here: (51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, Now, we saw that the dead are going to get a change, we were not told that the believing standing there would get a change, but It tells you they do: (52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, (that's the Gospel trumpet by the way, not the trump that's spoken of there in the other verse, and also in Revelation) and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall (all) be changed. (53) For this corruptible must put on (incorruptibility), and this mortal must put on immortality. (54) So, when this (corruptibility) shall have put on (incorruptibility), and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 6. The dead fulfill, Romans 8:11, 23 (11) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, (That's what he said over there in Thessalonians, see?) he that raised up Christ from the dead shall quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Verse 23, (23) And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption…the redemption of (the) body. The bodies are redeemed out of the dust, made immortal, those that have not gone to the dust standing there will be made immortal. Now, but what does the word 'coming' actually mean? Now, that's what we're talking about what takes place at the Coming. What will take place at that coming. This is what right we're talking about? By the Coming of the Lord, He speaks for the living, He speaks concerning the dead, they're coming together. There'll be a Rapture, there'll be a Marriage Supper. The dead come out of the ground immortal, the living are changed. This is at His Coming. For what does the word 'coming' mean? Now, that's the point right there. 7. It is from the Greek word 'parousia', which does not actually mean coming at all. It is from the Greek word 'parousia', which does not actually mean coming at all. It comes from the Greek word 'paramias', which means 'to be present'. Not coming, but to be present as in Luke 13:1, let us look at It. (1) There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. Didn't say the people came there, It said they'd already come, they were present. 8. We go to John 11:28, and It says: (28) And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her sister secretly, saying, The Master is come, … (the master is present, is the actual rendition, He has already come) and calleth for thee. Acts 10: is the best of all, verse 33. (33) Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come… (That you're) here (your) present. Now therefore are we all here present before God, (then God is Present, Cornelius is present, he was there already. Peter came having arrived he is present. God is there) to hear all things that are commanded thee of God. This Word means 'of being present with'. Not the acts of arriving, but a period of time more or less extended of being with. It fixes the attention on the stay which follows the arrival. The person of course, could not be present without having first come. Thus, it should never be used with the idea of the actual specific time of arrival concerning Jesus' returned to earth. Now, that settles the question right there. But it certainly refers to a definite period when it is relative to His Coming, and is a part of His Coming. 9. We'll go to 2 Peter 1:16 (16) For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. And then he tells you the story of Matthew 17: 1-8 on the Mount of Transfiguration. I want to ask you a question, did Jesus come upon the Mount of Transfiguration? No! He was already there. He never came, He was there. So, He says, "I'm telling you about that Coming. I'm telling you of that Presence." Because He had already come. Thus, we see in1 Thessalonians 4:15 (and we might as well go back to It) (15) For we say unto you by the word of the Lord, (this is "Thus saith the Lord, we're telling you something) that we which are alive and remain unto the (Presence, the time when He's Present on earth, shall (still not go before) …them which are asleep. Then It tells you what is going to happen. There shall be a Shout, a Voice, a Trumpet, the dead rising, out of the ground first being with us, we're changed. Then we're caught up to meet the Lord in the air. 10. Thus, we see in 1 Thessalonians 4:15 an indefinite, (I said,) an indefinite period of time takes place and embraces the events of verses 16-17. "Shout, Voice, Trumpet." We can easily see then that this Parousia of the Lord, or Presence of the Lord is a period with a beginning. A course or a chain of events, and a conclusion which is the whole picture. Its beginning is definitely 1 Thessalonians 4:15 as we read. It's conclusion I believe (from where I stand) is, Revelation 19:11 to Revelation 20:3 (11) And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. (12) His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head … many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. (13) And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. (14) And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. (That's the saints, the Bride.) (15) And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. (That's when they had the rod of iron, and all the saints do.) (16) And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. (17) And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; (18) That (you) may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses, of them that sit on them, flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. (19) And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. (20) And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. (21) …the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword (which) proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. 11. [Revelation 20:1-3] (1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, (3) …cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. Now, I see what starts, by the actual Presence of the Lord in this our day will continue right through until He comes back, and not only to meet the Lord, the people in the air, God incarnate in human flesh, but right down here on earth as David upon the throne and our Lord. Now, let's just stop a moment to reemphasize our understanding of the word 'Parousia', which erroneously is called 'coming'. And then in the caliber of Dr. Vine's suggest that the word should never have even translated. They suggested it's such a peculiar word with its own definite meaning, that It could be called 'Parousia', with the actual Greek meaning outlined for us so that we would instinctively automatically know what is these spoken of. HYPERLINK "https://www.google.ca/search?q=instinctively&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwja q_SSiZnaAhVNwGMKHZZTDZIQkeECCCQoAA" 12. Now, it is not the events of arrival. The exact time the person changed. But, the person having come, that same person is remaining present for an extended period of time, perhaps not even leaving. Then how could anybody know the day, or the hour He comes? You can't do it. Utterly impossible. Now, thus we note that the Lord according to verse 15 has already arrived, and is presently with the living even before one dead is raised physically to immortality. This Parousia, or being Present with the living is by the Lord Himself descending, because that is what the Scripture said. He actually comes down and is Present. Now, please note this is not Acts 2:4 where the Holy Ghost descends, the Pillar of Fire, and indwells believers. It is not Matthew 28:20 where He says, "Lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the world. 13. It is not becoming of the Holy Spirit to baptize individuals into the Body of the Lord Jesus Christ, It is something other than that. And It must be a known, definite Presence of which the saints are aware, that He is Present with them by descent, and staying with them would gather from what we saw, Acts 10:33. Let us look at It once more. (33) Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come… (That You are Present.) Cornelius might not have even seen Him come. Some servant opened the door, entered Him in and so on. I don't say that's the record, but I'm just saying to let you know that Cornelius doesn't have to be aware that the man is there, or having come through the gate at the moment. For a servant could call Him when Peter and the men are sitting with Him in the house. And he could say, "I’m glad to see You're here." Didn't say, "I'm glad I saw you come, I'm glad to see You here." Because that is the thoughts, you are present, you are here. Now therefore, we are all here present and God is Present. And notice the beautiful thought here to hear all things that are commanded thee of God. If you're not letting your mind go, you should have caught this. If you are letting your mind go, that this is exactly like William Branham giving us what God told him to give us. (See?) 14. Now, let's go to 1 Corinthians 16:17 to see the same thing. We're just checking his words out to show you that they run in continuity. They don't have hidden secret meanings. The meaning is the same. (17) I am glad of the coming of Stephanas and Fortunatus … No, I am glad that they are present, because it wasn't their coming, (see?) it's their presence they rejoice over the fact that they are there. That is what we're looking at. 15. We go also to 2 Corinthians 7:6-7 (6) Nevertheless God, that comforteth those that are cast down, comforted by the coming of Titus; (Not the coming, the presence. He's glad that he's there, see?) (7) And not by his (presence, or his) coming only, (for) by the consolation wherewith he was comforted in you, when he told us your earnest desire, your mourning, your fervent… (and so on.) What I am presenting here is absolutely foreign to all present day teaching. And nowhere as far as I know in any extant book of theology, or eschatology it is not there. It is the revealed teaching of a vindicated prophet who said, (and I'm paraphrasing) "I'm not riding the midnight trail crying, 'He's coming', He's already come." Who said it in 'The Rapture tape quote verbatim:] "When you see God come from the heavens, stand before groups of men, stand there and declare Himself just as He ever did, that's the truth and this Bible open." He said, "That's the truth and It's right here in the Word of God that proclaims It." 16. Let me quote to you further: 'Trying To Do God a Service Without It Being God’s Will.' "And today, He's standing amongst us in the Person of the Holy Ghost manifesting Himself more and more coming into His church making Himself known." Two: "The Son of man has already come from glory (Huh?) and is revealing Himself for the past few years to His Church in mercy, showing them His great Presence,…(Huh?) He didn't know the first thing about a Greek word, or Greek duck, or a Greek horse, or a Trojan horse. "Doing the same thing that He did when He was here on earth, revealing Himself like He did to Abraham before the destruction. He has come down now in mercy, revealing Himself to the Church. The next time He reveals Himself, it'll be judgment in the world on nations that forgot God." [Called Out 58-1009] See, I told you that's what was closed up. That was said in 1958, 'Will the Church go through the Tribulation'. 17. Three: [Christ is the Mystery 63-0728] "The headship is here, (Amen) Christ the risen Lord. It's here in the same power of His resurrection that He ever was, manifesting Himself." Four: ( HYPERLINK "https://wordofthehour.net/" \l "library/bookid=msg631110m/paragraph=181" Souls In Prison) [63-1110] "Now, we know that Christ is here. Maybe you don't see Him with your eyes. But through vision, I tell you, He's here." Five: (The Breach) [63-0317] "And when the Seals are broken and the mystery is revealed, down come the Angels, the Messenger, Christ, setting His foot on the land and sea with a rainbow over His head. Now remember, the seventh angel is on earth (that's the messenger) at the time of His Coming." Six: (Souls in Prison) [63-1110] "The Seventh Seal brings Him back to earth." 18. Seven: [Feast of the Trumpets 64-0719] "Because the Seventh Seal there was silence. No one knew that was the minute or hour that Christ would come…" (Uh?) Or the Judge.) I didn't even know he said this, until I put that in my notes. He revealed it to us. First Seal. Eight: (Going Beyond the Camp) [64-0719] "After almost two thousand years God has visited us again." Nine: (God's Only Provided Place of Worship) [65-11-28] "That brings the entire fullness of the Godhead bodily amongst you." Ten: (Doing God a Service) [65-1127] "The Elijah of this day is the Lord Jesus Christ. He is to come according to Luke 17:30. He's the Son of man is to reveal Himself among His people: not a man, God. But It'll come by a prophet." Eleven: (Future Home) [64-0802] "The Headstone coming into the body, that's the Redeemer coming to take His Own. He is here with us." Twelve: (Leadership) [65-1031] "That Light that's Present here tonight, that's right, the Holy Ghost is here. It's Christ in Spirit form. His Spirit, the Anointing is here." 19. Now, we will take some of the other verses of Scripture that we have always used to express the sudden advent, or coming of a person, and especially Jesus, but in the Greek, does not express it, for It is Parousia. He, already Present, having come. Let us look at the Scripture therefore beginning in a beautiful Scripture Matthew 24:3. We're going to see something good here. (3) …as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? (What will be the sign of Your Presence?) (4) …Jesus answered and said, Take heed that no man deceive you. (5) For many shall come in my name, saying, I am… (the one who was to be presence.) Puts entirely a different light doesn't it? Doesn't sound like the old Bible anymore, it's a new Bible. (See?) This never made sense before. It couldn't. How is anyone going to say, "I am the corporate God, the incarnated God." They'd laugh you out of town. There always were kooks, idiots, devil possessed, God knows what. But if He's here…(See?) And someone say, "Well, I'm that One." 20. Now notice, they could not say that until He was here. The genuine before the counterfeit always takes place. "What's going to be the sign when You're Present with us?" Like He said. "Well, (He said) I'll tell you frankly let no man deceive you. [Mat. 24:4] Because that's a very risky age when that time when I'm here is going to be the most deadly age of all. The most deceiving," and many will come in My Name, saying I am that Anointed One, I'm that Present One, and shall deceive many." [Mt 24:5] Now, let's…we notice here that this verse 3 is based upon verses 1 and 2, (1) And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. (2) And Jesus said unto them, See…these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. Now, do you realize it takes a little while to throw things down and get things corrupted. He's showing them here what happens by changing events. He's not talking of something that's instantaneous, (see?) that's He's talking about a period of time. How could you couple this with that which is instantaneous? If you're going to have a progression of things going on of people saying, "I am that one." You can tell right there this consumes a period of time, and it's the end time. And it can't take place until the real One is with us. So therefore, when you see a bunch of people rising us and pointing to themselves as revealing and manifesting Him Who is Present with us, that's the time you know that He is Present. (See?) That's the time, the only time It can come forward. 21. Now, let's keep reading here, (we read 4 and 5) now let's take 23-28. (23) Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. (24) For there shall arise false Christs, (even lying) prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; (inasmuch), if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (Now, that's a period of time.) (25) Behold, I have told you before. (26) Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, in the secret chambers; believe it not. Now, secret chamber is when three or more men come together and make a decision. Bro. Branham said, "that there be by more than one man." It can't be. It says, "All of this is going on." There'd be something going on to deceive, great deception. And all but the very Elect are going to miss It. Because they are going to attribute to Christ what should not be attributed. And they will attribute to others what should not be attributed, but should be attributed to Christ. Now see, go back in your minds with Bro. Branham's ministry and see how that was completely fulfilled to the very letter. A prolonging of days. A period. Not signs pointing to His Coming, but signs pointing to His Presence having already arrived and amongst us. That's right, 1 Corinthians 15:23. (23) But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Christ at His Coming. Now that's the Resurrection. Christ came out of the grave first, now the others got to come out of the graves. Let me ask you a question: Where was Jesus when the first half of the First Resurrection took place? Right with them. Right? Sure He was. Then where will He be if "He's the same yesterday, today and forever?" [Heb 13:8] That's the second half, right with them. Right with them. 22. Now, let your thinking go, don't bother asking questions, just believe it. That's where everybody makes mistakes on the Resurrection they always got to ask questions. I don't ask any questions. See, when I start reading, I read, I read, I read. Then I go to my Bible entirely revelated and I wait, something happens I start writing, writing, writing. I could no more preach this sermon without notes than nothing. I don't even know what it says. Except vaguely. Let your thinking go. We're not here to ask questions, we're here to believe what the prophet taught, what the Word says. I've checked every, every Scripture, every quote, we're taking It back and forth. Right? And can't be wrong, it's got to be right. (See?) You've got to let your thinking go. You say, "How can it be, what do I care how can it be? Just as long as it is. There's no problem. I've always told you, Rockefeller let me sign checks, with torn checks, I don't care how much money, I just sign checks. No problem. He is here with us, and He will be here, this is part of His descent. 23. Let's go now to 1 Thessalonians 2:19 (19) For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming? The same Word, (the Presence) at that time where Paul to see those come out of the grave with him, and the hour when Christ is doing all this concerning bringing the dead out of the graves, changing the living, Wedding Supper, coming back to reign upon earth. Now, no doubt about this being a continuing Presence of the One Who came, the one Who is here now, and the same One which we'll see that we'll be in the bodily Presence of the incarnate Almighty God. 1 Thessalonians 3:13. (13) To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints. Now watch: "To the end all grace, for all grace and love to abound, to the end, that He may establish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father." When? "At the Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints." Now, at the time the living are going to be established and unblameable with all the saints that have no problems, because they're gone on, at His Presence. At His Presence. Not coming, having come. In other words, there could be a people standing on earth here that are absolutely perfect in the sight of God, whereas the prophet said, "They without us cannot be made perfect." There's got to have something take place that brings us a perfection. And that perfection has got to be in His Presence. It cannot come apart from His Presence. You follow me? 24. All right, listen, I read you 1 Thessalonians 3:13, and see how Revelation 22:10-15 follows It. Unblameable at the time of His Presence. Okay: Revelation 22: watch. (10) And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. (11) He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: he (that's) filthy, filthy still: (but) he that is righteous, righteous still: he that is holy, holy still. Holy, unblameable at this time when the Book is opened to be sealed no more, and He alone opens the Book. His Presence does it. The Book came down. (Uh?) Revelation 5: Revelation 10: in the hand came down. (Right?) Exactly what He said. Now, thus I believe that 1 Thessalonians 3:13, read It again. (13) To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the (Presence) of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints. Now, it's going to be too late up there to be established, you got to get established down here. It's not the Presence up there, It's the Presence down here. He's already here. (Right?) That's right. Sure, He’s right. No problem, not at all. 25. Now listen, that's what He said He wanted. Now, could this be this prayer of 1 Thessalonians 1:13 actually be 1 Corinthians 13:9, and Ephesians 4:13? Let's go to 1 Corinthians 13:9, and hear what It says. And of course, we'll read on: (9) For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. (10) But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. (11) When I was a child, I (spoke) as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: when I became a man, I put away childish things. What things? The speaking and the thinking. And you can only think, you only speak as you think. So, the major thing then, is your thinking. And the angel of God said, "Your thoughts in heaven speak louder than your words." So therefore, your thoughts are more important than your words. (Uh? okay) Remember, at the end time thinking is what? By the mind, right? All right, now we're going places. (12) …now we see through a glass, darkly; then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. There's coming a confrontation when God reveals Himself as thoroughly as we are revealed to God. (Uh?) Why if I don't, maybe I didn't read my Bible right. (13) …but then shall I know even as also I am known. Well, you can say, "Bro. Vayle, that could refer to the Word." Find and dandy, I'll take It to the Word. But He is the Word. Comes a full revelation, right? Well, he said, "I see through a glass darkly, know in part." What is prophecy? And remember, at the end time the Book of Revelation opens and closes, opens and closes with, "the Spirit of prophecy which is a testimony of Jesus Christ." [Rev. 19:10] Right? Whether you see It or not, don't worry, I'm telling you the truth. I'll read It to you. …?... opens and closes with It. Actually, he does, that Spirit of prophecy. 26. Now, I said, could it be that 1 Thessalonians 3:13 is 1 Corinthians 13:9-12, plus Ephesians 4.14. Let's read It. (14) That henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive. (15) But speaking the truth in love, grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: Listen, didn't I read you quotes on that? (Uh?) (16) From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. That's right, that's our day. (See?) What's going to do it? The Presence. Nothing else can do it. 27. Now, let's continue 2 Thessalonians 2:8 (8) …then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Now, here is that shining One, shining forth. The very One, (the revealed Word) that reveals the antichrist in our time at this hour is the very thing which shall put the antichrist out of the way. (See?) 2 Thessalonians 2:9, (9) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with power and signs and lying wonders, Now looking at the coming of Satan. Is the coming of Satan just ding, and it's all over? No! It's the presence of Satan that does this. You've got the Presence of God first, followed by the presence of Satan. And neither one is right here…though the devil incarnates himself that is true. (See?) God does not incarnate Himself at that very moment. 28. Now, let's go to, James 5:7-8. (7) Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, hath long patience for it, until he receives the early and latter rain. Now, we are to wait for the Presence of God. The Presence of Jesus, and He will receive the early and the latter rain, and when He brings it together. (8) Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. There's coming a time when He's going to receive the authority over the Word. (See?) That's the former rain and the latter rain. Now, It tells you right here there's going to be a teaching rain, and there's a harvest rain, which means there's going to be a re-sowing, there's going to be a gathering of the harvest. Does that take overnight? Is that an instant? No! That's a period of time. Who's doing it? Jesus is doing it. Why? Who's got it? He's got it. Notice he says, (7) …the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, until he (Jesus) receive the (former) and latter rain. He has got to do it, He has got to have it, and He will do it being here amongst us, what the prophet said. Okay. 29. Okay, let's go to 2 Peter 3: (and I'm using just about every single verse of Scripture, it's in the Bible on this subject.) Now, verse 4, (4) And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. Okay, let's read 5-9 (5) For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: (6) Whereby the world that (was) then, being overflowed with water, perished: (7) But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. (8) …beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, a thousand years as one day. (9) (And) the Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Now, there you are right there. He's telling you right here that the Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ is absolutely compared with was is taking place before, which is a process of time. It's a spirit of time. The earth that’s destroyed in the flood, not instantaneously. Noah preached quite a long time, then the flood came, that was it. True. And remember, that same Spirit was Present there preaching to those souls condemned that never had a chance. Because they couldn't believe Presence of Almighty God the same One. 30. Now, let's go to 1 John 2:28 (28) And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, (you) may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. Now, watch what he says here. He's talking about being in the wrong word, wrong anointing. (See?) Now, there isn't one of us at the end time who was not ashamed at the Appearing of the Lord Jesus Christ, for everyone had to repent. That's it, Bro. Branham put emphasis on 'ashamed of Him', especially this Message. Now, John brings It out right here. He said, "Little children, I want to warn you something right now." He said, "There's strange things coming upon the earth, the major which is a false doctrine." And I say, "You better watch what you're getting, check the spirit by the Word on every occasion." There are people amongst us at this hour do not understand that you do not check the Word by the spirit, but you check the spirit by the Word. (See?) If you get your wires crossed, you'll never make it, you'll be deceived every time. Now, he said, "Look, check that spirit by the Word, that you won't be ashamed when He Appears on that day." You find one of us that didn't need correction, … the prophet himself. There wasn't one that had to be shamed, could stand before God and say, "Lord, I had the quick revelation." There wasn't one. And John was warning, you watch, that shame will come. (See?) A period of time. Period of checking, the whole thing. (See?) 31. Now, with this understanding that 1 Thessalonians 4:15, is an indefinite period of time, or rather then a momentary arrival, we can do verse 16. Let's take a look at verse 16, go back to It, now we know what to look for. Something going on. Now: (16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Jesus will do three things in His descent. In other words, descending He does three things. Actual descending. There will be a Shout, which is a military command. There will be the Voice of the Chief Messenger. There will be the Trumpet of God. After the Trumpet sounds the resurrected ones will be snatched up into the air. Then the living ones will be caught up, (that the Seventh Church Age group) to meet them in clouds to go to the Marriage Supper. Now, by Devine revelation the prophet said, "That the Shout was the Message sent forth to get the Bride ready. "As John the Baptist, foreran the First Coming of Christ, so your Message will forerun the Second Coming." 32. Now notice, John was there when Jesus was there, and John revealed Him Who was Present but unknown amongst them. So, it must be now. [The Feast of the Trumpets 64-0719M] And I checked my tape very, very thoroughly, because this is not what the manuscripts say. Now how 'it' said. Not what the book said. Now, how 'it' said, "He shall Appear in the last day…in the last day is to bring the people back to the Word." You follow me? Never mind your own thinking, you're stuck. This is why you say what the prophet said. This is why I'm saying what the prophet said. And I'm breaking it down point by point, as the prophet said to do it. I'm not going to use a bunch of quotes that go against this. Many people have run with what I'm teaching this morning, and believe the Resurrection is over the Millennium, during the Millennium now. Some will try and run it to Israel, because they don't understand what I'm talking about. (See?) Repeat, now how 'it' said, "He shall Appear in the last days is to bring the people back to the Word, (that's Christ) so the Bride will know her Husband, her mate, the revealed Word." (See?) Identification is now waiting to be brought into full dynamics for reality. I repeat, (Feast of the Trumpets) now how 'It' said, "That's the Word of the Holy Spirit, how God wants it. He shall Appear in the last day." Not instantaneous, …days. Is to bring the people back to the Word, so the Bride will know her Husband, her Mate, Who is the revealed Word." That's the Presence. 33. So, now we see right here what the Shout is. It is Christ the Anointed living Word descended, declaring and vindicating Himself and showing that He is that One, even Jesus the Husband. Even the Son of man revealed manifesting Himself amongst us. That’s correct. That means, (now listen) that means, it is got to be Marriage Supper timing for what is a Bride and Groom all about but marriage. Now, we know the Rapture is going to bring the Marriage Supper, right? Okay, true, but all the Bride is not here, no, not all here. Now listen carefully, she's got to be revealed to the living. Right? Not the dead, the living. She's got to know her Mate, the Word revealed. She's got to know who she married. Now, but hold it, all the Bride is not here. So, and then it's got to be a resurrection. (See?) Thus, if the Shout is the Message, or the gathering of those on earth, then the Voice has to be the Resurrection. Has to be. You're not pulling this out of thin air, we're getting it out of Scriptures. Because, that's what It says. You're here, the dead got to mingle with you. (Right?) And Paul said, "By our gathering together, the Message. So, it's the righteous and holy, the antichrist doesn't …?... Thessalonians getting ready for Revelation 22, they without us cannot be made perfect. That is the Shout, It has to be, you couldn't get It any other way. Then there's got to be you're looking for the Marriage, but the rest of the dead aren't here. Now they got to come up, that's got to be the Shout, the 13th, has got your attention. 34. When Bro. Branham said that, our eyes stinged, and bulged right out of our heads. There's nothing to it. You didn't pull a cat out of the bag, or a rabbit out of a hat. No, he just gave a Scripture. He always said it's in there, it's in there, it's in there. Look in there if it's in there. I know I'm cautious, I'm a Canadian by birth, let me tell you something flat: I became a Yankee. I want to tell you something to all you Canadians are not half as conservatives as Lee Vayle, became Yankee. A word to the wise is sufficient I hope. (Huh?) I’m not scolding you, try to help you. Anybody can talk, “If only the prophet knew…” And I know I shock by what I say. I am not an authority, and I can prove nothing . I've got only one hope, and I take it back. Now, you do what you want, but I'm cautious. If I miss at being cautious I'll have a whole lot less trouble on the other side without being haywire. (See?) 35. Now, it's got to be a resurrection. Thus if the Shout is the Message, the Voice has to be the Resurrection. And this is true, because we go to John 11:19-26, that's where the prophet took us, It's going to follow right through. Say what the prophet said, okay. (19) And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. (20) Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house. (21) Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. (22) But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it (to you.) (23) Jesus saith (to) her, Thy brother shall rise again. (24) Martha (said,) I know that he shall rise in the resurrection at the last day. (25) Jesus said, (I'm not talking about that,) I am the resurrection, and the life: (and) he that believeth in me, (Lazarus) though he (believed in me. You believe in me, I'll tell you something, there's going to be a resurrection. He that believeth in me) though he were dead, yet shall he live: (and I've made a special promise to you, you're going to be standing right here when I make a resurrection.) (26) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die… 36. Now, 38-44. (38) Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave… That word 'groaning' is actually, (I wish I remembered the exactly term, but it's a terrible literal disgust) almost anger for not believing. Really, he's in a bad mood like the prophet Elijah as you know. (38) It was a cave and a stone lay upon it. (39) Jesus said, Take ye away the stone." (Hold it hold it!) by this time he stinketh: (because he's been gone) four days. (40) Jesus (said,) Didn't I tell you that you'll see the glory of God if you believe? Aren't you a believer as Lazarus is a believer? Take that stone away.) (41) … they took the stone (where he was laying) …Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. (42) …I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me. (43) And when he thus (he) had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. (44) And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with grave- clothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus (said,) Loose him, and let him go. Lazarus… [Matthew 27:] (50) Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. (51) And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from top to bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; (52) And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, (53) And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now, that Voice on Calvary woke up the sleeping dead, preparatory for the bodies to come out in the Resurrection. For Christ came out first, then He called those others out. Now notice, Jesus crying with a loud Voice woke up the dead, preparatory to bring the bodies out of the graves. 37. Okay, 1 Thessalonians 4:14 (14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. (Bring with who? Bring with Jesus.) All right, that Shout that raises the dead literally first of all awakens the dead, where in the vision they said, "He will come to you first, then you will go down again." So, as in the Old Testament saints they were wakened, so the Shout will waken the living, they'll be prepared to be brought forth with Jesus. Which they will, for He'll come to them in a physical body, God will bring them forth. But remember, when He consorts with them and they come down to the atmosphere, or to some you might call… [blank spot] …some dimension out here, call it whatever you want. Remember, that He does not come down with them, He sends them in their theophonic bodies, …which is really not a good term…they return as a spiritual body. And they come down here without those physical bodies, and they'll be amongst us. (Yep) Because they don't get their bodies instantaneously, you got to come down. 38. Now, those bodies could leap out of the graves and meet them instantaneously, but what if they didn't? [blank spot] One place Bro. Branham said, "Moses decayed." In another place he said, "God preserved the body" I don't know which he did. It wouldn't matter. Nothing to God, performing a resurrection. No problem at all. What if those dead, walk among us, not in glorified bodies, but in bodies which they went to? Because you know we leave here we're clothed upon, but that which is eternal in heaven. Bro. Branham called it 'theophonic bodies'. Theo means 'God' phonic means to shed forth. Paul called it a spirit body. But Bro. Branham gave us the best meaning, out of Genesis. What would anybody with intelligence …?... Now, what if they're down here walking amongst us? Bro. Branham said, "They could hug you, touch you, shake your hand," They couldn't eat, now, I don't know too much about the subject. I just say I wonder. I'm just saying, because look, I don't fight anybody, I don't fight who believes that Bro. Branham is going to come back in the Resurrection, and have a ministry, that’s going to tell us these things. 39. What if he came back for awhile and you all have the non-resurrection body? You know something, got such a chaos on one side, such faith on the other. It'll still drive people almost insane. I'm just saying from Scripture what the prophet taught. Don't think you have the answers, if you really don't. Just stand back and watch. Live a good Christian life. Not saying anybody's wrong, they could be hundred percent right. Nothing to fight about. Just watch your spirits. Because this Message was to bring us together and not scatter us. If we're being scattered by this Message, then it's not the Message. That’s a wrong statement first of all. (See?) You just keep yourselves in control. I'm branded as a kind of a fool, because they want the middle of the road, but I do, because if I don't know, I don't. I also know it was during the squeeze in the resurrection the disciples hid and Jesus Appeared. I don't know what's going to happen. But I can see …?... And I stand with your pastor a hundred percent. Don't fuss at anybody, and don't judge. Don't say, “I’m a Word Bride”, honey, the Rapture ain't done took place yet. And Bro. Branham said there's going to be people who are so sure they're going make it, and they won't. And some that felt so bad, because they felt so rotten they wouldn't make it, and they do make it. So, when you think you know, you're going to have to produce. (Uh? Uh?) Don't know, so I can produce. Stick your neck out, so it can get chopped off. (See?) Anybody can be right, we all believe the same Messages, the same prophecy, and different things. 40. Remember, Bro. Branham gave the example, he said, "Any man draw a circle from you, just draw another circle." And he’d draw them right back in. So, you don't talk to anybody saying, you don’t think you deserve it, because I believe you'd say, "Look, I believe it, but I don’t understand it that's …?... And nobody is going to say, "Well, where is He going to find His people?” So, a little word to the wise…I love to listen, because it opened my eyes to things that I have not by way of the ear, to see what I’m looking at. I enjoy it. I appreciate it and I watch it. (See?) So, let's be very careful here. Because I don't think any of them have mentioned the fact you got to come down to get your body. What if something took place in that period of time? Bro. Branham said, "A minimum of thirty days." Where did he get it? I don't see any thirty, I would say Daniel 12: and I see a seventy-five year too. What's that seventy-five days the resurrection takes place? 41. In other words, I'm saying this, look it, don't guess. Don't guess, don’t presume, watch. Look, don't treat anybody aside. (See?) Don't fuss. The minute you fuss, you haven't got the right spirit. So, if you're doctrine's right, forget it, you're still messed up. (See?) You want to bring this issue now, now listen, our theopanies come down to us. Oh my, yeah. The Bible's clear and unclear. But there's one place where you and I don't need to be unclear, when it gets there and that's seeing no more darkly, Him who is our Bridegroom. (Huh?) That's right. These other things are unclear. You look at me, don't know. But the Bride is to know her Mate, the revealed Word. That's the main thing. The body, so whatever is going to come is going to come anyway. But if you and I aren't ready for it, if we don't get into that Shout and pass the Shout, well I don't know what's going to happen. So, keep your spirits, you cannot be sweet and kind, because it just may happen to sit awhile. Then the prophet said, "These things are revealed the manifestation." But if you and I don't know ….out of the ground. We might not see a theophonic forms, then again, we might. What's to stop us? What about that man that was hit by a car in the desert in Arizona? And Bro. Branham said that…in the spirit which saw the very same thing, the car went bumped into the body, that happened five years ago. It kind of makes you think. I don't have the answer. That doesn't mean somebody else hasn't got it. Sure, somebody had the answers. Praise God. And, just watch, just watch, don't jump the fence, just watch. 42. Now, Jesus Himself does this does this as the prophet said, He's going to do this before the breaking forth in the Resurrection is in Philippians 3:20-21, (as I look at It) (20) For our (citizenship) is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: (21) Who shall change our vile body… Now watch this, our bodies have got to be changed before the Rapture. Our citizenship is in heaven from whence we look for Jesus to come on down and do it. Shout, Voice, done by Jesus: (21) Who shall change our vile body that it may be fashioned unto his (glory)… Notice, it's fashioning. Fashioning, fashioning. Look, fashioning. Putting on, putting on, growing up into, drawing closer, more and more. (21) … according to the working whereby… What working of what? The Word. All things made by the Word. Fashioned by the Word. (Huh?) That's why you had to have the Shout. Get your eyes on that Shout, keep it there where God somehow works the next step out. I'm not afraid of any next step. That does not concern me. I got my lesson Bro. Branham could not preach the Trumpet, because God said that's none of your business, you’re done to now. But he said, "I'll let you in on a little few clues." Don't look down that road, backward, forward, look now! Some people got noses eighteen miles long the way they're looking down the road. Come on, pull your nose back. Just watch it. Bro. Branham one of the Seven Seal watch, something couldn't get it. Lots is in that Seventh Seal, I can't tell you right even right now, I …?... got a lot of things I preached. As far as I know I'm right. But I've always said, "Look, I'm no authority." And I'm not. Look at what I'm saying, you don't like it, praise God dismiss it, no problem. I'm happy. Yes sir, Christ is going to do it. 43. Then the Trumpet will blast and catch us all up and meet Him in the clouds, and go to the Marriage Supper and then face to face physically. (See?) He physically does not come to us, we go to Him. Oh ho, right, He physically does not come to us, we go to Him. "Behold the Bridegroom's coming, go and meet Him Bride." [Mat. 25:6] Not go in, come out! Nowhere in the Greek says, "go." No place, says, "come." Come, doesn't say, "Go unto me all ye that weary." "Come into Me all you that labor, come out of her, come out and meet Him." As long as you say, go to me, come out from amongst us, I got something …?... That's why God sent a prophet. To get him out. Now listen, we go to Him. He's come, see? To His coming. Now, His coming, that which we were discussing is not His physical resurrection form, no siree. 44. Let us just see that in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 again. Now, let's watch this, because this is fantastic. Not because I'm saying it, because the prophet said it. Don't look at me. (16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, … Now, the Greek plainly states, that the shout is not fit to be the Voice of Jesus. It just says he descends with a Shout. And the Word always descends by the spirit of the prophet. Quote where? Heaven knows, I don't know, I just quote it. Now, the voice is not said to be the Voice of Jesus. Quote: [Anointed Ones 65-0725] Now, I want you to know this is sure. (Said Bro. Branham) That listen to this tape, you might have thought today that I was trying to say that about myself, being that I was packing (or preaching) this Message. I have no more to do with (this Message) than nothing, no more than just a voice. Deuteronomy 18. How are we going to know the voice? 'Thus saith the Lord', was a man prophesying comes to pass, then from now on that's the man you listen to, that is God to you. When was Bro. Branham God? When the Word was veiled in Him, but as soon as the Word was unveiled he was not more God. But he was only God to us, he wasn't God. The works was God. 45. Next, who could It be that has the Voice of the Chief Messenger and raises the dead? Well the prophet said Jesus does all three. Let's take a peek at John 5:25. Now, we're trying to take it slow so you'll understand, and it's easier on my throat. Listen: [John 5:25] (25) (Truly, truly,) I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. This took place of course Matthew 27: which we read. And it has yet to take place in the last half of the First Resurrection. Bro. Branham also said there are two halves. Now, we must note here that the dead hear the Voice of the Son of God, not the voice of the Son of man. We hear the Voice of the Son of man. And His Voice is the Son of God. Now, that to me shows that the prophetic days of the voice of the prophet are over, the Son of man has been revealed. But I'm not going to try to build a doctrine on it, but just appears to me that's the way it is. The last ones that come into Christ, which is true, or the dead cannot be raised. And Bro. Branham also said, "There'd be a time of training." He never rescinded training anybody. But since God does a short quick work, I will do this; I've never seen anybody come to this Message and live lives like the people that come to this Message, never has it been produced in other ages outside of Age number one I don't believe. It's a fantastic people, especially you young people. 46. Now, I know no statement of the prophet that can find this voice other than what He said in John 11: and Matthew 27: so, I can go no further. But, we could look at James 5:7, just a minute. Now, we know what that is, we read It. (7) Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman (which is Jesus waits) for the precious fruit of the earth, (He's got) long patience for it, until he (Jesus) receive the early and latter rain. Now, here it is evident that Jesus Himself is as the prophet said brought the Shout and former rain. Or teaching rain, because Jesus is the Husband, and He is to get the teaching rain during the time of the latter rain. Now, this is guaranteed to bring up the precious fruit of the earth. The bodies of dust that lay in the dust, because the Bible said so. Then It say in verse 8 what we should watch out for. (8) Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. Get your hearts ready, because when you're ready that's when the Voice can take place, the dead can come out of the ground. And notice in verse 9 It warns us: (9) Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest (you) be condemned: … 47. The Judge is at the door Who can bring the Rapture …?... You and I don't settle it. I've been put out of the Rapture so many times, it's very beautiful. The Rapture this day is a revolving door. In, out, in, out, depending who's swinging the door. I never had any man put me in, how can I get put out? I didn't put anybody in, how can I put anybody out? It's hard to hold your spirit brother/sister. But this to me is a far greater test, whether you know the full Word of God or not, can quote, quote, quote. You know something? I believe a lot of folk living today can out quote the prophet. And say, "Bro. Branham, what did you say in tape so and so?" Who's… I forgot. Well, I'll tell you, I told the brothers. I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but …?... a thought. …?... what the prophet really said. Thus, we're to watch verse 8. (8) Be patient; stablish your hearts: … How did He do it? By the Shout. Thus, the latter rain has already been waiting for the former rain. Bro. Branham said, "That's the…latter rain started in 1906, the latter rain of Zechariah 10:1, back here, second to last Book of the Bible, the old Testament. Ask you the Lord rain at the time of the latter rain. The Lord will send great clouds. Why? Because the Light's coming, and give us showers upon rain, (which is the Word of God) to everyone grass of the field. 48. All right, so at the end time the former rain unites with the latter rain, so mechanics and dynamics come together. And this in my mind could be the Third Pull in the Bride. And if there is a ministry, systematic in signs and power, I believe that is the time it will be done according to the 'Spoken Word is the Original Seed'. Because he said the Bride would have the Word. That's doesn't mean she's simply got tapes and things, it means she believes that Word abiding by faith and Word, Word abiding in her. When you receive the Word, your flesh becomes the Word in flesh. That's what we're talking about. (See?) Then certainly she will say only what God would have her say, and that thing would come to pass. So, whatever ministry lies there, I believe that is that time. You say, "Pre-resurrection Bro. Vayle." Post Resurrection, could be both I will not argue any side. I don't have the answers. Because Bro. Branham said, "The fullness of the adoption comes in the Resurrection." I don't know if he meant the manifestation preceded the raising of the body to immortality, or just what he was saying, I don't know, I can't say. I leave it there. Somebody else might be able to tell you, praise God I think that's fine, I'm not an authority. 49. Now, this then would be the perfection or finished work of Christ in the Bride, so that the dead can come forth, "for they without out cannot be made perfect." [Heb. 11:40] Some feel that that since the Word and the Voice is in the Bride, she'll bring about a resurrection. I have no Word for that. In other words, go to the graveyard and say, "Come out." I have no word for it. I know the Word in the Bride will bring the Resurrection on the grounds that the fruit is now available to come out. That much I do know. How It's going to be done, I cannot tell you. But we'll look at some Scriptures some people think they have a little thought upon from Revelation 18:20-24, let's take a look at It. Now, It says: (20) Rejoice over her, thou heaven, …(and so on.) But I'm not going to read that far, it's there. Except It says here in verse 23, (23) And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and he bride shall be heard in thee (at all no more): … 50. Okay, Revelation 22:17, and It says here: (17) And the spirit and the bride say, Come. Let him that heareth say, Come. And he that thirst come. And whosover will, let him take the water of life freely. They believe from this Scripture here that the Word of God is so in the Bride, that the Shout will become the Voice, that actually they could call the dead to come out of the grave. I will not argue that, I haven't the foggiest idea. My thinking is no, it's a little different from that. But I'm just going to say people think that. But I know there's one thing here, that Jesus is going to do it, whether He does it in the Spirit form he came to us in, or He does it in a Bride, how He does it is His business. He hasn't told me, I find no tape for it if somebody does it that's fine. But I know there's going to be a resurrection when the standing Bride is ready, until she's ready there will not be one. (See?) And I know that this is the age of the adoption, the mark, the move of the Bride is on, I know these things, but I cannot describe it, nor will I be caught describing it. I know up to this point of Scripture it's very clear to me, point number two and three is not clear, if I must wait until the manifestation comes from my revelation I will do it. If in the mean time God shows me something I'll be glad to know, but at this point I have nothing to tell you. 51. Now, after that will come the Wedding Supper. And this takes place when the Bride ascends and sees the Bridegroom in His resurrection flesh, even as she is in her resurrection flesh. He is the Word, she is the Word in immortal flesh. And you have to have life seed to bring forth the Word of God. So, Christ now can have the Marriage Supper in His Bride at that particular time. Now, this has to be so as we read It in Matthew 22:8-14. Now, we know this says here: (8) (He said) to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. (9) Go therefore into the highways, many as (you) shall find, bid to the marriage. (10) So those servants went into (so and so, and It says here) the wedding was furnished with guests. (11) And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: (12) And he (said) unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. (13) Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, …weeping…gnashing of teeth. (14) …many are called, but few are chosen. (That's the Great Tribulation.) Now, what happening? In meetings just like this, where Bro. Branham said, "The Word of God is preached, the unadulterated Word, many will come in, but they will not literally put on the Wedding Robe of the Word." They won't do it. 52. Then at the last time here on earth, when the people are all together here, God is going to have to separate, and it's at that time, (because remember) this preparatory for the wedding supper, it's part of the wedding. And the king is inspecting the people and he said, "You cannot be in it." You cannot be in it, that's what Bro. Branham said, the showdown is Mount Zion. Any people believe it see. Wrong motive, not really taking it. Bro. Branham said, "Every place, believers, unbelievers, make believers." So, there's always those who say, "I believe, " but they're not dedicated. They're not dedicated. You got to be dedicated brother/sister, that's the first step. It's starts with the prophet with 'Thus saith the Lord', says William Branham. If you don't see 'Thus saith the Lord', you do not see this Message. If I…hearts cry, I see people I've known for years have no more understanding with 'Thus saith the Lord', than nothing. It's not a final court of appeal for them. Oh no, you've got men right not running clean around this world and Bro. Branham said they’ll turn nations upside down even, outside this Message. How gullible are you my friends. How gullible are you? Are you in this Word? (Uh?) Do you hold your spirits? We're going through some tests my brothers and sisters, whether you got garments on. That Judge at the door is already separating dividing, I'm not saying this is what Lee Vayle thinks, I'm telling what the Word says, He's right here. And He says they go through tribulation, and through tribulation they go to the Lake of Fire. Bro. Branham puts it in there, see? But now we can be righteous and perfect with Him. Not of ourselves mind you, no, but by seed. (See?) 53. Now see, here we are, "many are called, but few are chosen." And of course, you know what the Wedding Garment is, It is 1 Corinthians 15: putting on the inner garment. And remember, Bro. Branham took that Sword and he screamed in prophesy. He said, "The Sword is The King." He said, "Bring on His holy vesture," with the Holy Word of God standing by. How could a man say that except in prophesy? Sword and dress. You don't dress with a sword. You knight with a sword. But it wasn't even that. He thought it was some knighting. It wasn't knighting, it was the dressing of a Bride, and that Holy Word cuts away all the creeds and the slash, slash, slash, creeds and dogmas. (Huh?) Misunderstanding. Even misunderstanding puts us out without a peak on. First chapter in Luke when John came, misunderstanding. There is no hope for misunderstanding. (See?) How can there be misunderstanding with 'Thus saith the Lord'? Come on, tell me. It's His Presence here and He is revealing Himself. Misunderstanding is willful, disobedience as Hebrews says. What is left, but judgment. Hebrews 6: and so on. (See?) 54. All right, now for a moment we're going to go wild for a moment, that’s a wrong word, for a while, little while now. We're going to consider what we call 'His Coming', or actual arrival in His Immortal body, and we'll start with Matthew 16:28 (28) Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not (see) taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Now, that's the actual fact what He's going to be like when He takes power on earth glorified and all, see. He was transfigured, to be glorified. Now remember, Peter saw in His Coming, the Presence He knowing He will see without dying the actual figure was to take place glorified immortality. (See?) There It is. Okay. 55. Now, with that let's go to Matthew 24:30 (30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: (not on earth, in heaven) …all the tribes of the earth mourn, and (they'll) see the Son of man coming (what?) in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Okay, [Matthew 25:27] (27) Thou oughtest …to…put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. True, something that could be useful in the future. Now, [Matthew 26:] got the same idea again: (64) Jesus (said,) Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall (you) see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Notice how these verses line up: clouds of heaven, clouds of glory, coming, (you know) to the people, (see?) that He can reward them and so on. 56. Okay, let's go into Mark 13:24-27 (24) But (after) those days, that (the great) tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon not give light, (25) …the stars of heaven fall, and the powers….be shaken. (26) …then shall they see the Son of man coming (where?) in the clouds with great power and (great) glory. (See?) That's that incarnate One, that's different. Okay, [Mark]14:62 (62) And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. That's not Rapture, that's another, (see?) when He comes back taking authority. 57. Luke 21:27. Notice every single time, power, clouds of glory, so on, so on. Maybe that cloud of glory is white horses. Clouds of white horses, who knows? And It says, (27) …they shall see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. (All the same, that's that One you see, different.) Now, we can see that that does not take place until the end of the tribulation as we've already noted. (See?) As we saw in Revelation 19:11-26. That the saints come back with Him dressed in robes of white to take over. Now, I wanted to bring this message and make you aware once more what the prophet said. People are all mixed up over the Appearing and Coming. The fundamentalists say the Appearing is the Rapture and the Coming is after the tribulation. That is not so, the Appearing is on earth and precedes the Rapture. And He has already Appeared amongst us. And that Appearing was His revelation of the Word Bridegroom to a Word Bride. 58. Here it is exactly as He already noticed, Luke 17:26-30, now let's take a look at It. I'll read It this time with greater insight than ever. (26) …as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. (27) They (ate) they drank, they married wives, (gave) in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, the flood came, and destroyed them all. (Until, the prophet sets the time.) (28) Likewise, also as it was in the days of Lot; they… (were buying, they were selling, they were drinking, they were doing everything, building and planting. A process of time.) (29) But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brim- stone from heaven, and destroyed them all. (30) (Thus even) shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. A process of time, which will wind up in (what?) the Great Tribulation and final destruction. (See?) Look how your words are perfect. 59. Okay, Colossians 3:43 (4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall (you) also appear with him in glory. When Christ, Who is our Life, shall Appear. When He shall Appear, His Presence is here upon earth. That is the time when we know positively, the Resurrection is at hand, immortality sets in, the Rapture takes place, the Wedding Supper, the Great Tribulation, the coming back to earth. And brother/sister, the Son of man has been revealed and absolutely proven. I know that's true, I never intended to include it. 60. Let's go back to Acts 3: (I've given you this so many, many times, but if I give the words until you just can't stand it maybe, I don't mind. Where It says right here in verse 19, (19) …when times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. A revival is going to break forth from that which is visible to the eye, the part you can see God as Jesus said in John 15:24. He said, "If I had not done the works which none other man did, they had not sin, but now they have both seen and hated both Me and My Father." What was it? The works which no other man could do. The works, the Word which no other could see and come to pass with God. And when that takes place, that is the Presence of God, that is God manifested, that is the Son of man revealed on earth in His ministry. But not until the Word comes, is He fully revealed. You see, the ministry is the honey, or the flower, the color of the flower, or the scent that attracts the bees. The Word is the honey in the flower. (See?) The Word is the honey in the Rock. The Rock which is so impregnable you can't doubt it. What man has what William Branham had? Right today they'll tell you what man has what William Branham had. But you see, well he got so big. Well, Elijah got to come. Well find your Elijah, hot-shot! (Huh?) Some …?... it was du Plessis, or Oral Roberts', or Bible Schools? Bring them out, trot him out, let’s see him. I'd like to see it. Those guys…I'll tell you, they're like the Pharisees. Jesus said they knew Jesus was coming according to Scripture, but they're understanding of Scripture was not the way Scripture was to be understood. Nothing against the guys, but here it is. It says right here He’s going to be revealed. 61. The ministry is to attract your attention until the Word comes. And that Word is your Mate. And if you say, "Yes, yes, yes," you're going into the Marriage ceremony of uniting time, because you're coming under the authority of the Word. You don't have the Wedding Supper until you're married. Bro. Branham said you're already married. It’s the marriage supper, what if the one of the hail stones hit them, poor old bride and groom had to sit here getting married just waiting for the wedding supper, and the cater couldn't come and couldn't go to the wedding supper. Said you're already married and pretty soon the floods come, and oh my, they can't get out of the building, crowd can't get out of the building. And pretty soon they were pretty hungry, pretty thirsty. Well, that's alright, they’d begin to feel after awhile, maybe five days from then, everybody’s looking pretty gaunt. You say, "Well, you can come on now." What's the difference? You've done and got married …?... No problems. 62. Okay, 1 John (we read that) 2:28. Let's go to 1 Peter 5:4. (For some reason I'm showing you, it can't hurt you taking back, looking at them.) Listen: (4) And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away. But He's got to Appear. The Chief Shepherd must come amongst us. And He does. And He is. Do you realize…I never did finish that series here last year on Melchisedec, so I never did get to show you number four, and of course I preached seven messages on Melchisedec. But do you realize that Bro. Branham quit preaching the Hebrews series on chapter 7, because Melchisedec runs out? There's no point in going any further. It's the age of strong meat that Melchisedec can Appear amongst us and reveal. This is the age of strong meat. And who is Melchisedec? He is the One Who breaks the bread and the wine after the heat of the battle. He is the ascended risen Jesus Christ the High Priest. He is the One that died and rose as the executor of His Own will to ensure the Millennium. And He came down and proved it. He said, "Here I am." He revealed, the He took the Word and threw It open before us. Brother/sister, if anybody wants anything else, be my guest, hop to it, I'm satisfied. I'm content right now whatever God wants me to do. If He wants future ministries. Hallelujah. I don't mind. If He doesn't want ministries, hallelujah, I still don’t mind. Whatever God wants, I want, hopefully because He's God. He's going to get it anyway. No use trying to tell God what to do, figure things out. 63. Okay, 1 John 2:28 (read It a little while ago) take a look again. I just look at ourselves here, and It says, (28) …now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, … I'm going to tell you something, I'm getting more and more confidence about this Message all the time. Sure. And this is the time that you have got to have your confidence right not in the Appearing. Because this is the full assurance of faith in Abraham's day. This is the wind up. If you and I don't have the full assurance of faith now, you got to keep looking down the road. I'm not saying something's not coming down the road. But you better be happy what you got now. (Huh?) Certainly. I'd like to see …?... Now, this grows here, and this grows here (you know) is crooked, but (you know) I'm going to build it up there later on very straight. I've got news, that's a lot of hogwash, you're going to have crooked roads all the way through. Back to the hogwash, if you can stand it. Yes sir. Listen, now this is a beautiful story here in 1 John 2:28, see. Stay in the Word, so that when the Word comes amongst us and proves Who He is, you both be One with Him, and not rebuke before Him ashamed. John said, “Leave the Word”, but thank God, we're back to the Word. 64. Now, we're going to look at some more Scripture, and these are the final Scriptures, (another five minutes or so here) will give us further insight. Let's go back to Luke 17:30, to check these through now. ...?... The angel said, "You watch your lines in this day. Both of those lines. He said, "You got them messed up, because to try to teach Pentecostal babies …?... (Uh?) Hope you caught something there, if you didn't I'm not going to explain, I'll get in trouble. All right, look it, [Luke] 17:30 (30) Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. What? Apokalupsis. When the revelation of the Son of man comes, it'll be a period of time and in a way and Sodom condition It'll come. Right, 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, … He going to have his apokalupsis, pull the veil back, and it was pulled back, he's the pope. And you watch the one that comes out of America, we'll talked about him Tuesday if we get a chance. (6) (That you may) know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. Notice, the same thing in Revelation. (8) ... (even) that Wicked (one) shall be revealed,… Every single time that word is apokalupsis, See? And that's what we're talking about now, that Son of man revealed on earth, not revealed from heaven. The Son of man revealed on earth takes a period of time which is the vindicated Message, which in turn causes us to know Who the Bride-groom is, to know our Mate, the revealed Word. (See?) That's it. 65. Now, We go back to 1 Peter 1: (I'm using all the same words), it's just to let you know that for the first time in my life the Greek comes together, and I've never found any theologian who put it together until this hour. I'm not a theologian, the prophet did it. But I've got the books, and you can take book by all the various great men in the world, and this bunch believes Rapture, pre-tribulation, this one believes post-tribulation. This believes that, this believes that, and they've all got different understands of this Word. And none of them understand what we're talking about right now. Not one understands, no sir, they don't. 1 Peter 1:5 okay: (5) Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. It tells you right there, there's going to be a revelation, to the apocalypse at the end time, and it's going to be revealed to who are in the faith. See, they're going to believe this message here. And you got verse 12, (12) Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister (these) things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; … In other words, It says right here that the Word of God is a true revelation, and at the end time we know that that revelation of that Word has got to come forth at the end time. As Bro. Branham said, "All mysteries, that even angels wanted to look into, and the angels are forbidden." That's why there's silence in heaven. Neither the angels and nothing could know about it. 66. Says right here, 1 Peter 5:1, at least, that's what I get out of it. (1) The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: And It tells you right here that there's a revelation coming that's going to tell the glory that's going to be upon this earth. And Bro. Branham was given a certain amount, that's to tell us where Paul had to shut the Book up, and Daniel shut the Book up. Bro. Branham could open the Book and tell us certain things. 67. First Corinthians 1:7-8, (I'm going kind of fast, but it's alright.) Okay, It's says here: (7) So that (you) come behind in no gift; waiting for the (revelation, that is the) coming (not just the coming, but the flashing across the sky and all,) coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: (8) Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that (you) may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ And It tells you right here that end time, at the apokalupsis, at the unveiling will come behind to nothing. In other words, this Church is going to judge every single up and be ready for the Rapture, will come behind nothing. A perfect Bride, so the dead can come out of the ground waiting for Christ to Appear. 68. Now, one more verse of Scripture before I close, and that's in 1 John 3:2 (I've give you many, many times) (2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. Now, everybody but us, quote that verse entirely wrong. They say, "All right, we're going to get changed, we're going to get caught up, we're going to see Him." That's absolutely wrong. If you don't get changed down here by seeing Him, you will not get caught up there. It's says right here, "You're going to get changed, because you see Him as He is." We saw Him as one God and His right baptism. We saw the truth, and the world says, "Hogwash, I wouldn't have that, drop dead." I say, "Hallelujah, that's the love of my soul." You don't want …?... Yes sir, I'm not going to say anymore sweetheart. Fap! That's finished. He's all together lovely. I love predestination. I love election. I love foreknowledge. Love no eternal fire. I love one God. Love one baptism, the whole thing. No prophet, allowed serpent seed. No, that's not your love, that intrigues me. (I got a sermon on that you never heard, come back and preach it. When that is, I don’t know.) 69. All right listen, in closing this message, to help you see the truth of what I'm talking about. Bro. Branham said, "Justification, sanctification, baptism, the return of the Holy Spirit." Now listen, hear a quote: [QA On The Holy Ghost COD Page 44 ] This is the hour to where the Holy Spirit has come down in the form of a Light, like He was at the beginning, a Pillar of Fire and has manifested Himself. Never like he said, "I'm Jesus," See, proved it, doing the very same things He did when He was on earth. That's what we're talking about. That's the Presence, that's the Jesus that descended. That's where the Word came. That's the Mate, that's the whole thing. I saw God my brother/sister, I don't know about you, but I saw God. That's my guarantee that one day this heart, this life, is going to have a change like Him, to having seeing Him as He was. And let me tell you, He's all together lovely. We might not be, but He is. It's not your word and my word that that counts. It's not your revelation, my revelation, it's His Word that counts, it's His revelation, brethren. Because remember, it's the Bride that chooses the Bridegroom. He said, "You've not chosen me, but I've chosen you." 70. Well, sure we chose Him, after He chooses us. We'd be a fool to turn Him down. So, there you are brother/sister what the prophet said. No gaps, no problems. Scripture lining up, everything like what He said. This is what, I keep telling you, I take my stance, you do what you want. But he said, "Once you see this Message that's all you'll see in the Word." And if he couldn't add nor take a Word, and I believe every doctrine that's got to be here. You do what you want, you follow your pastor. I'm not your pastor. Now, if I'm here and upsetting, tell you one thing, if he doesn't prove what is said, listen to him. I am not ordained to carry you through, he is. So therefore, someway, somehow God will see that your pastor carries you through. Don't be high-minded. …?... Or you can get messed up like you didn't think you could get messed up. Whether you like it or not, whether I like it or not, I don't like it, in my flesh I don’t. It takes the five-fold ministry to see you through. That's true. Not like I said to one family ministry. I didn't say it, he said it. I didn't want to be hard, I tried to tell you, a little bit of finagling, I'd be out tomorrow. (See?) Follow me? Just be real sweet Christian. Go back, we didn't divide ...?... Because I don't care what anybody believes, we're all identified whether right or wrong, the same Message, same prophet, same God. We be brethren, why fight like strangers? That's right, Lord bless you shall we rise. Dear Lord Jesus, again we praise and thank You for your goodness and mercy. Such a great thing, Lord, to have the Bible come together, You know, Lord, how I studied for a long time on this subject years ago. Took every Greek reference, took everybody I could find, finally threw it all down in disgust, and said they're all crazy nothing comes together. And here it is, all together, all the air, everything lined up, no confusion. That same One that Appeared to Paul came down, He Appeared, we saw Him. Son of man revealed. My thoughts of grace, now all of us can say we've seen Him as He is. I pray we have, shall be like Him, shall be changed. Yes Sir, caught up to meet You. How will we be given what You did. Oh Lord, we magnify Your Name because of grace, amazing grace, how sweet the sound that saved a wretched like me. And even those saved we're pretty blind to the truth. Now You've opened our eyes by way of eye salve, the same Holy Spirit, praise God, now we see. Getting ready, getting ready, getting ready. Father, make me conform more and more to Thy Spirit. Grant it, Lord, not one weak in faith amongst us. Not one weak in body coming out by Your strength by the Pillar of Fire. Oh God, Lord, I don't know what lies down the road is there anything mysterious to me. I wouldn't try looking for one minute, Lord, but if You …?... be happy, and I'd be fine. But keep everyone of us, O God, under 'The Old Rugged Cross'. Under Your Blood, under 'The Shadow of the Almighty', under the Spirit of wisdom and grace and knowledge which came to us. Help us, O God, not to be high-minded and mighty. In honor, preferring each other, sweetness, Lord, sweet communion. Break us all this morning Lord. Little children I know that the psychologist tell us, Lord, they all want discipline, they all want to be brought into line. And I just thought, Lord, this morning as he sang that song, "break me, and mold me," we're little children. We're giving way to One innately in us by the Holy Spirit to come under the truth, O God. Help us therefore, Lord. Don't let one of us fail, Jesus. Wake us all up, O Lord, to righteousness to sin not. Mortify the flesh that must be mortified. But to come out that which must come out in, bless each one, Lord. God, bless the sick amongst us this morning, Lord. You know, I haven't taken time to pray for the sick, Lord, try to build up their faith. Father, I know this morning they can be healed. I believe healing is amongst us. Not a far off, but now. You proved Yourself, You proved Your Word by doing It. Then, Lord, how much more could that same Word even reveal do greater things than these. "Greater things than these. Greater things shall he do." Thank You, Lord, for helping us. You've helped me, Lord. Now, I look, Lord, for greater health still. Lord, that I may have greater fire and zeal to preach Thy Word. Go anywhere You ask me You want me to go, if someone can be helped. Grant it, Lord, this morning. We just give you ourselves, Lord. May it be unreservedly. Maybe once for all, may You have the honor. Now, unto the King Eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be all power and all glory in the Name of Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen. Camp Meeting - Grenthal # 1 (0177A) Page PAGE \* MERGEFORMAT 8